Race and Reality

[Fenwick]

I can't understand how someone like Duke could spend as long as he did in the Klan without being exposed to Christian Identity ideals. Unless he was exposed to them, and chose to reject them.


It's sad, in a way, as I first became aware of the jewish problem from Duke's older recordings. I doubt I would have had as much of a grasp of it if he'd been as vague and universalist when he wrote that stuff as he is now.


From my experience of the secular nationalist scene, opening your ideology to universalism might gain you temporary popularity and support, but you'll alienate the hardliners who would have stuck with you when things go bad.

[Deborah]

Oh, Duke was definitely exposed to CI beliefs, but as I think back to my days of Klan activism with him in the 70's, his approach never wavered from a secularist approach. Don Black followed suit in his secularist leadership of the Klan. I heard David accepted Christ during his stint in prison, long after he had left the Klan.

David Duke's value in moving our race forward was basically in the 70's when he was a positive representative for the Klan with the message 'we don't hate, we love our race and are concerned for its demise'. He also had a recruitment policy of 'quality over quantity'. The Knights membership soared under his leadership because he came off very smooth and professional on tv interviews. I've heard many say that they give his book "My Awakening" to enlighten others. I think it was mostly secular, but there were spots in there that pointed to his judeo-Christian beliefs.

[Fenwick]

I've heard many say that they give his book "My Awakening" to enlighten others. I think it was mostly secular, but there were spots in there that pointed to his judeo-Christian beliefs.

It's been so long since I read it, and I didn't know anything of CI back then so I wouldn't have known what a judeo was, but I think he mostly quoted from the talmud, and not the OT.

If he starts using OT passages as evidence of jewish evil, then he's going to struggle to awaken anybody that holds to Christian beliefs, because at best he looks like a dull "new testament christian" and at worst he looks to be openly hostile to the Word of God. Only Christian Identity can square the racial truths of the world with the spiritual truths of the Bible.

[LisaLee]

Very good, Lisa Lee. We can never sit on our accomplishments. It is our Father in heaven who determines our reward, if we are so worthy!

WmFinck, I so appreciate your treatment of Rev in the last ChristReich, not only clearly identifying the 2 witnessess but also all of those who had celebrated the death of the 2 witnessess (I could not figure that one out before). While reading ChristReich I kept saying to myself, "yes, yes of course, that's it" especially as you further identified the Reformation in Germany (Judah) and the Reformation in England (Israel). It is brilliant, wmfinck, absolutely brilliant, and I thankyou.
It was the Reformation which unleashed the doctrines of soverign grace and created Western Civiliation, and you have captured it perfectly in ChirstReich.

CI has turned carnal (if it was anything other than carnal in the first place)
becasue these doctrines of sovereign grace are completely ignored and excluded in any discussion of CI. In some other websites CI has turned so carnal basing salvation completely on dna, even starting threads about the proper dna, while ignoring the sovereignty of God in totality.
Indeed, only the whites of European descent are the pre-Christian Israelites of the OT but many an Adamite will fall by the wayside.....since not all who say they are Israel are Israel.

Only God can convict of sin, Only God can call his people out of unbelief, and only God can give the knowledge of personal Israelite Identity. So these CI types who have been "in the movement for 30 years" who attack the Reformation and the Reformation Church and by extension the doctrines of sovereign grace,
because this Reformation church taught the devil and hell, well I spit on those individuals. In their pride and arrogance they are doing the work of the Jews and keeping CI from moving forward .

As you say WmFinck, may God reward these people accordingly.

[Nayto]

CI has turned carnal (if it was anything other than carnal in the first place)
becasue these doctrines of sovereign grace are completely ignored and excluded in any discussion of CI. In some other websites CI has turned so carnal basing salvation completely on dna, even starting threads about the proper dna, while ignoring the sovereignty of God in totality.
Indeed, only the whites of European descent are the pre-Christian Israelites of the OT but many an Adamite will fall by the wayside.....since not all who say they are Israel are Israel.

What is "sovereign grace" exactly? (Genuine question; the terminology loses me)

Surely we are saved because Father made a promise to our ancestor and his genetic descendants? Or am I missing something?

[Kentucky]

What is "sovereign grace" exactly? (Genuine question; the terminology loses me)

It's about Salvation. There are two basic schools of thought: the first is that we save ourselves completely by our own works; the second is that we are saved by both man and God working together. Both of these doctrines are shot down if you believe in Sovereign Grace, which says that we are saved solely by the mercies of God. Sorry LisaLee if I butchered this synopsis, but that's my understanding in a nutshell.

Mark

[Nayto]

What is "sovereign grace" exactly? (Genuine question; the terminology loses me)

It's about Salvation. There are two basic schools of thought: the first is that we save ourselves completely by our own works; the second is that we are saved by both man and God working together. Both of these doctrines are shot down if you believe in Sovereign Grace, which says that we are saved solely by the mercies of God. Sorry LisaLee if I butchered this synopsis, but that's my understanding in a nutshell.

Mark

In that case I guess I believe in Sovereign Grace (upper case?) as well. Thanks for the clarification.

[LisaLee]

What is "sovereign grace" exactly? (Genuine question; the terminology loses me)

It's about Salvation. There are two basic schools of thought: the first is that we save ourselves completely by our own works; the second is that we are saved by both man and God working together. Both of these doctrines are shot down if you believe in Sovereign Grace, which says that we are saved solely by the mercies of God. Sorry LisaLee if I butchered this synopsis, but that's my understanding in a nutshell.

Mark

Yes Mark that is 100% correct.
There was a time not to long ago when everyone understood the meaning of sovereign grace and it did not have to be explained that we are saved soley by the electing grace of a sovereign God. That God alone is the decider, the chooser, the elector.
But this has been the work of the Jesuits since the Reformation, to overturn the teachings of sovereign grace and the Jesuits have been very successful at this starting with their man in the field Jacobus Armenius and culminating with Darby,Scofeld and the hideously evil, works based judeo-anity.

Full understanding of sovereign grace is deeply humbling to the creature as the quickened elect recognize that in the natural state we are "born dead in sin", "children of wrath", "at enmity with God", rebels against Divine government, and justly exposed to the 'curse of the law'. Surely we should say 'by the Grace of God I am what I am," instead of boasting to each other about dna and being 'in the movement for 30 years'.

The two things that no one can deny is that God is Sovereign and Man is responsible. Keeping balance though, in this horrid time in which our lot is cast, is difficult to say the least. All around us man is exalted in this time of fake 'superman' comicbook heros, the disgusting 'all flesh is the same" and the false 'God loves everybody' mantra.
Though we are in the time of Jacob's trouble emphasizing aryan 'flesh' to the exclusion of God's grace is to exalt the creature and dishonor the creator and we are then no different from the world in which we live.
How can God honor this?

Also, in some we see where a single phase of God's Truth has so impressed a man that he has concentrated on that issue to the exclusion of everything else. Some portion of God's Word has been made a "pet doctrine" which becomes a distinctive badge. Yet it is the duty of each servant of God to "declare all the counsel of God" (Acts 20:27), and if we don't, or worse yet, attack other Christians who do not subscribe to this "pet doctrine", how then can God honor us?

These are the reasons that I believe that CI has remained dead in the water.... because we have ignored His merciful and sovereign saving grace in all things.