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EzraLB wrote:I found this quote from Ignatius of Antioch's Epistles. He lived in the 1st Century A.D., and this passage clearly shows an obvious understanding of Two Seedline Christian Identity:
“Flee, there fore, those evil offshoots (of Satan) which produce death-
bearing fruit,. . . These men are not the planting of the Father, but
are an accused brood. And says the Lord, ‘Let every plant which my
heavenly Father has not planted be rooted up.’ For if they had been
branches of the Father, they would not have been ‘enemies of the cross
of glory.’ But now, by denying the cross, and being ashamed of the
passion, they cover the transgression of the Jews, those fighters against
God, those murderers of the Lord; for it were too little to style them
merely murderers of the prophets.’ Keep yourselves, then, from those
evil plants which Jesus Christ does not tend, but that wild beast, the
destroyer of men, because they are not the planting of the father, the
seed of the wicked one."
--Ignatius Of Antioch, (35-110 A.D.) Epistle To The Trallians, quoted in "The Ante-Nicene Fathers," Volume I, Wm. B. Erdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, Michigan
As far as the Gerson Cohen quote goes, I've seen that before used by Jews who are trying to highjack the British Israel movement. My first reaction to it was, "What's his source?" I find it hard to believe that the Jews and The Church openly debated this identity issue. This is from the Encyclopedia Judaica:
“Jews began to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in 1860.″
—Encyclopedia Judaica, 1971 Vol 10:23
This makes sense as it coincides with the rise of Marxism and Zionism.
EzraLB wrote:MIchaelAllen,
Don't fault yourself for being confused by what Cohen is alleging--after all, all Jews are double-minded and speak out of both sides of their mouths. They want it both ways to keep their game going for as long as they can. They want mainstream Christian churches to continue with the concept of "spiritual Israel", but they also know that there are many Identity Christians who know the truth, and thus they need to also claim that they are the literal seed of Jacob/Judah to the exclusion of all others.
I believe that this supposed schism between early Christians and Jews over who was the real seed of Abraham is totally fabricated, at least in an overt way. Where are the documents to prove it? Does he have access to early Jewish writers who described it? Not likely.
If you read the writings of the early church fathers, you will see remnants of dual seedline theology, as I pointed out with the quote from Ignatius, but what is even more apparent is that they are already putting heavy emphasis on the spiritual connection to Christ, and de-emphasizing the corporal aspect. These early church men all saw the body as corruptible and the vehicle for sin--we still see this simplistic dualist thinking in Churchianity today. Of course, true Scriptural Christians know that it's only through the uncorrupted Adamic body that a spiritual connection to Christ is even possible.
At the same time, the early church fathers seemed to focus on castigating the Jews not for falsely claiming to be the literal seed of Abraham and Judah, but rather for stubbornly insisting on preserving the old Levitical laws, traditions, and rituals, which under the new covenant of Christ were, clearly, to none effect. And it seems the way the Church fought this battle was to erect their own "Christian" doctrines, laws, and rituals to oppose the Jews and protect their flock, and by doing so, perhaps unwittingly, became just like the Jews they opposed.
EzraLB wrote:The Jews truly are the authors of confusion and chaos. I recall once hearing this Jewish concept of what makes someone highly intelligent:
"The ability to hold two mutually contradicting ideas in your mind at the same time."
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