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Two Seedlines of Kenites?

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Two Seedlines of Kenites?

Postby Xile » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:24 pm

I read somewhere (probably from a different CI site) that Cain's seedline shares a similar name with another tribe called "Kenites", but there appears to be two of them. One of them are the descendents of Cain and the other are from Judah, or is that the same one?

What does you guys think of this?

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Reading through this genealogy of 1 Chronicles 2 from beginning to end we find the following:
Judah and his daughter-in-law Tamar had a son named Pharez.
Pharez had a son named Hezron.
Hezron had a son named Caleb.
Caleb had a wife named Ephrath and they had a son named Hur.
Hur had a son named Caleb.
Caleb had a son named Salma.
Salma fathered numerous offspring which became the heads of families who “dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, [and] Suchathites. These [are] the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.” (verse 55)
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Re: Two Seedlines of Kenites?

Postby Joe » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:56 pm

I found this here http://christogenea.org/content/gospel- ... 08-31-2012. Maybe it can help some-ways...

34 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, she kills the prophets and stones those being sent to her! How often have I desired to gather together your children by which manner a hen does her chicks beneath her wings, and you desired it not.

If, as we saw discussing the words of Christ in Luke Chapter 11 concerning those who murdered all of the prophets from Abel through Zachariah, one race alone can be blamed for these crimes, then Christ must mean that race descended from Cain, which would include the Kenites, the Canaanites they mingled with (Genesis 15:19-21), and later the Edomite jews of His own time. It is clear in the history of Judah, that Canaanites had infiltrated Jerusalem at an early time. As the prophet Malachi said, Judah had married the daughter of a strange god,

Malachi 2:11: “11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.”

More evidence of the corruption of Judah exists in Jeremiah chapter 2: “13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water... 21 Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me? 22 For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD.”

Further evidence of this corruption is found in Ezekiel 16: “2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, 3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.”

Further evidence is found in the apocryphal story of Susanna, where Daniel upbraids certain priests for being of the seed of Canaan, and not of Judah, and in the end of 1 Chronicles chapter 2 where it says: “55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.”
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Re: Two Seedlines of Kenites?

Postby Xile » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:09 am

I'll look into it. :beer:
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Re: Two Seedlines of Kenites?

Postby wmfinck » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:45 am

1 Chronicles 2:55 does not tell us that Kenites descended from Judah. Rather it is telling us, after all of the pertinent descendants of Judah are listed, that certain families of scribes were actually descendants of the Kenites who came from Hamath.
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