I'm here, too.

[2ndWitness]

I don't even know where to start... I'm a 20-year believer of the Lord Jesus Christ. But only recently have I become aware of the identity of Israel. I'd heard for a dozen years that Israel was a spiritual thing, and that all believers are Israel, grafted in. But I was never happy with that definition. My instinct said there was something else to be said about the House of Israel. Over the years, I've gone from philosemetic, because that was what all the other lemmings were doing... to antisemitic because of what the semites were doing.

And then I started learning history. And began to read what had been written as rather large diary pages by the Egyptians and the Assyrians. And I fell for what the philosemitic people were saying about those pictures on Egyptian walls. Because, primarily, I still believed that the tribes play a strong role at the end of the ages. And my first love, I have to admit was prophecy. And I'm told that's what happens to many new believers. But I never outgrew it, and I never will.

The first place I went to Church was a Bible study, in effect... the pastor spent every service teaching... Galatians, as it turned out. But he seemed to have confused the works of the law with works of any kind. Which caused me to again go looking for something more... which brought me to legalism, which lasted about a week and a half, and had me telling God, "OK, then You do it, because I can't." Which brought me to the Christian Doctrines. Which makes me learn from Paul what Jesus did for us, and still does today. And today, I no longer watch my feet, because my eyes are on Jesus, not me.

I came here because I believe Jesus. And what He says in John 8 and in Matthew 23 are how I view the rest of the world and their followers. Because it seems to me that's how the camps are already divided. Thank you for accepting me as a member, I hope you're not already sorry that you did. But I felt that if I got this all out on the table, right from the start, you will not have to wonder about me.

[Kentucky]

Welcome to our community. This is a good place for learning.

Mark

[2ndWitness]

Welcome to our community. This is a good place for learning.

Mark

Cool. Can you tell me why I've already been labeled as part of some kinda posse? I really didn't expect to be slapped upside the head, 4 posts in.

[Kentucky]

Welcome to our community. This is a good place for learning.

Mark

Cool. Can you tell me why I've already been labeled as part of some kinda posse? I really didn't expect to be slapped upside the head, 4 posts in.

Well, it's the kind of of thing that the insane clown posse would say. We take race very seriously here. Perhaps to get off on the right foot, a little turning of the cheek is in order when espousing sources concerning genetics that are either jewish or scurrilous. Being corrected about something as important as our racial heritage is a blessing. You should realize that coming out of the gate with such an outrageous assertion is going to lead to an immediate counseling. Perhaps you're not that familiar with what Christian Identity is all about. Take some time to learn before making unfounded claims.

Mark

[2ndWitness]

Being slapped in the face is not what Christians do. From my understanding, it's what unbelievers do to Christians. I've always thought that reproving and rebuking was to be done in a spirit of gentle meekness, with love and with Christian Doctrines. Being called a clown is not counseling... and it's certainly not loving. When in doubt, ask... in the future.

Is there a clear cut definition of Christian Identity, anywhere in the world? Does it mean that only Christian people are the lost tribes? Does it mean that white people are the lost tribes? Does it mean that Christian white people will all be saved? I wasn't aware that this board allowed no new light to come in. Apparently I was wrong. May the PTB please remove any trace of me from this board, and I won't bother you with things you don't want to know.

[Kentucky]

Being slapped in the face is not what Christians do. From my understanding, it's what unbelievers do to Christians. I've always thought that reproving and rebuking was to be done in a spirit of gentle meekness, with love and with Christian Doctrines. Being called a clown is not counseling... and it's certainly not loving. When in doubt, ask... in the future.

Is there a clear cut definition of Christian Identity, anywhere in the world? Does it mean that only Christian people are the lost tribes? Does it mean that white people are the lost tribes? Does it mean that Christian white people will all be saved? I wasn't aware that this board allowed no new light to come in. Apparently I was wrong. May the PTB please remove any trace of me from this board, and I won't bother you with things you don't want to know.

Mt. 5:39 "Now I say to you, not to oppose evil, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn for him also the other" CNT. Being called a clown is much more loving than calling good evil and evil good.

Mark

[2ndWitness]

Being slapped in the face is not what Christians do. From my understanding, it's what unbelievers do to Christians. I've always thought that reproving and rebuking was to be done in a spirit of gentle meekness, with love and with Christian Doctrines. Being called a clown is not counseling... and it's certainly not loving. When in doubt, ask... in the future.

Is there a clear cut definition of Christian Identity, anywhere in the world? Does it mean that only Christian people are the lost tribes? Does it mean that white people are the lost tribes? Does it mean that Christian white people will all be saved? I wasn't aware that this board allowed no new light to come in. Apparently I was wrong. May the PTB please remove any trace of me from this board, and I won't bother you with things you don't want to know.

Mt. 5:39 "Now I say to you, not to oppose evil, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn for him also the other" CNT. Being called a clown is much more loving than calling good evil and evil good.

Mark

We agree on one thing... getting slapped is evil, as Jesus says. Those who think that name calling/slapping is a good thing are calling evil good. I haven't done any of that. People who are so quick in their judgments must think they have all of the answers they need and are never in need of what someone else has been given. I thought that I would be finding like-minded people on here. But apparently that's not why I've been sent here.

And until your administrator removes my account or my ability to access it, you will be reminded of your rude behavior, one and all. When I am unable to respond to you, feel free to say whatever pleases your mindset. But until then, I will not fail to tell you to your faces that you do not hold the entire understanding of the word of God amongst you. It takes the whole Body of Christ to supply what is lacking... so that the whole body becomes a man of full stature. If you are unable to comprehend these things I'm telling you, at least you can never say that you haven't been told.

[Joe]

Welcome 2nd witness.
I like your name, that is important Biblical concept when proving assertions. Personal opinions are really difficult to agree on.

I also like your sig
"for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh."
So if one consumes the Scripture and then says something contrary to Scripture, then it is not the Bible that is at fault, it is that man's heart.

Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

We agree on one thing... getting slapped is evil, as Jesus says. Those who think that name calling/slapping is a good thing are calling evil good.

I disagree, I don't think they are being mean in any way.
Pro 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

The brethren are only trying to put forward CI theology with Scripture. I don't understand why a Christian would demand that other Christians agree with their personal opinions before Scripture.

Wouldn't that imply that that person thinks their own opinions are more worthwhile than the Word of God?

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2ndWitness

First, not everyone here reflects the same opinion about everything. And for that reason this forum is not a full reflection of what is taught at the main Christogenea website, as there are other Christian Identity pastors here who have and who are entitled to their own opinions on many topics, which they also attest here in this forum.

However most of the people here are in general agreement with much of what is taught at the main Christogenea website. And on certain issues which here are considered of the utmost importance to Christian Identity, most of the people here are in nearly full agreement. Those issues are centered around the substance of race, and the nature of God.

Your initial emails to me indicated that you knew more about what we teach at Christogenea than is now obvious. You may have read a few topics on this forum, but it is obvious to me personally that you know little-to-nothing of what is taught at Christogenea.

In my experience, a truth-seeker joins a group in order to learn from the group, and not to instruct the group. An instructor would start his own group.

Of course, a truth-seeker can become an instructor, and we can all learn from one another. However someone joining a group should learn about the group members and why they believe the things which they profess, before offering any instruction or asserting themselves as instructors.

Doing that, you may have had a much easier introduction to this group.

Coming at us with a cart-full of recycled Judeo-Christian BULLSHIT that we have all seen and heard many times before is NOT what we could call "new light".

Coming here to inform us, under the pretense of being a truth-seeker, one is actually posing and acting as an infiltrator and a subverter.

[Nayto]

Hello 2ndWitness. Welcome.

What is your understanding of what Christian Identity is? I'd genuinely like to understand.