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An eager and enthusiastic student from California

Postby Colston » Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:49 am

I also, following suit of many of the preceding welcome pages, would like to begin with thanking Mr. Fink for his nearly exhaustive studies and exposition of the Seed-Line theology. I have been thoroughly educated by it, and am eager to continue in my study, but cannot bring my-self to accept this theology until a few of my rejections have been Biblically repudiated.

I am a 19 year old student from Central California. My family moved here during the gold rush from Virginia which was our residence since the revolutionary war. My fathers side is purely European, while my mother has ancestry in German and Russian descent. I was raised Armenian, but have recently placed myself under the "umbrella" of Reformed theology because between the two Reformed is far more Biblically sound. However, the Tree-Line doctrine has done an excellent job of helping me determine where the end of Biblical truth lies within Reform teaching by revealing holes avoided by its teachers. However from my limited understanding developed by personal devotion; Reformed theology seems to have done the same in the reverse circumstance. I am glad a forum like this has been sovereignly set in my path of study, and i am eager to see my biblical upset put to an end. The devil and his children have done a thorough job of making it outrageously difficult to find exposition, let alone a community, to aid in my more complete understanding of truth.

This is me, a moderately confused but eagerly enthusiastic student who is in search of truth to more fully serve Yahweh and his kingdom so that he may be glorified, which is a Christians greatest end.
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Re: An eager and enthusiastic student from California

Postby Nayto » Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:35 am

Welcome Colston!

How did you find the truth of CI? What was your awakening process?
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Re: An eager and enthusiastic student from California

Postby Staropramen » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:30 am

Greetings and welcome Colston.
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Re: An eager and enthusiastic student from California

Postby brucebohn » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:40 am

Ahhh, 19, and not alot of theological garbage to 'unlearn'.....
What a fortunate fellow. You have come to the right site.
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Re: An eager and enthusiastic student from California

Postby Kentucky » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:04 pm

Greetings young man. Welcome to the forum. I'm curious about your avatar, what is it? Hope you will be blessed by the dialogue here.

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Re: An eager and enthusiastic student from California

Postby wmfinck » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:57 pm

Greetings Colston, and welcome.

Please make it clear what aspects of Reformed Theology you would like to see addressed. I can only guess you may mean the predestination of Calvinism? Perhaps you can make a post in an appropriate section of the forum.
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Re: An eager and enthusiastic student from California

Postby Colston » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:15 am

All of my questions and statements regarding doctrine i will save for the appropriate form, but i feel describing my avatar, as requested by Kentucky, and how i came across this forum, as requested by nayto, from what i understand are a part of getting to know me and should fit here.

It will take me some time to get used to the acronyms and common terminology used (with plans to stay more then long enough to make use of them). I am not yet sure what CI stands for (as referenced by nayto) but from the context i assume it is denoting "Christian Identity." The seed that planted my curiosity was my love for the Bible, a burning desire for truth, and a racism indirectly planted by my father, sprouted by school textbooks, and flourished by my current employment status here in CA where i am having to pay for the apes i share the state with. I desire not violence (as near 100% of people assume when any hint is given to my viewpoint) but simply segregation. In search for segregation and Bible exposition i began to e-mail the contacts listed by the KKK to use for any questions i may have. I have been in a conversation about doctrine with Billy Roper for a while now and he gave me a link to Christogenia to use as a reference. He personally holds to the doctrine debunked in Mr Fink's and Sowrd Brotherin's first, second, and part of their third podcast describing the seedline (or tree-line) doctrine, entitled pragmatic Genesis. **multiple Adams** A very thorough and correct Job was done disproving this belief and i have moved on from our doctrinal conversations now understanding they are folly. As of now in my current state of spiritual maturity, my 5-point Calvanist and Reform doctrine have proven to be the most Biblically sound, not requiring external resources to support doctrine. (as the Armenian doctrine and Emergent Doctrine *or lack there of* does). However, it feels like there is something missing. CI has yet to sway me Biblically to fit the hole in truth currently nagging at me, but i am eager to see its end.

As for my Avatar: It was somewhat of a result similar to when people doodle while on the phone, but i was playing around with Photo Shop while listening to a Sermon and that was the result.


Here is an enhanced copy of My Avatar.

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The 12 points. A common number used in the Bible to represent wholeness or perfection in government or community.

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The Cross.

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The jog lines along the cross represent the readings an EKG uses to represent life. These four symbols are "in-line" with the ways of Christ, which are life giving.

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The four lines intersecting the cross pictorially represent the readings an EKG uses to represent death. These four symbols are "contradictory" to the ways of Christ, which are life rotting.

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The Staurogram (meaning monogram of the cross, from the Greek: ΣTAΥPOΣ meaning cross), or Monogrammatic Cross or Tau-Rho symbol, is composed by a tau (Τ) superimposed on a rho (Ρ). The Staurogram was first used to abbreviate the Greek word for cross in very early New Testament manuscripts.

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The Chi Rho is one of the earliest forms of christogram, and is used by some Christians. It is formed by superimposing the first two (capital) letters chi and rho (ΧΡ) of the Greek word "ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ" =Christ in such a way to produce the monogram. Although not technically a Christian cross, the Chi-Rho invokes the crucifixion of Jesus, as well as symbolizing his status as the Christ.

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The Raven watermark in the background of the image is a reference to a couple different things of personal reminder, most predominantly Matthew 6:26-27:

26 Look at the birds. They don’t plant or harvest or store food in barns, for your heavenly Father feeds them. And aren’t you far more valuable to him than they are? 27 Can all your worries add a single moment to your life?

But also a quote from John Calvin:

"Let this be the second rule: that in our petition we ever sense our own insufficiency, and earnestly pondering how we need all that we seek, join with this prayer of an earnest-nay, burning desire to attain it. For many perfunctorily intone prayers after set form, as if discharging a duty to God. And although they admit it to be a necessary remedy for their ills, because it would be fatal to lack the help of God which they are beseeching, still it appears they perform this duty from habit, because these hearts are meanwhile cold, and they do not ponder what they ask. Indeed a general and confused feeling of their need leads them to prayer, but it does not arrouse them, as it were in present reality, to seek the relief of their poverty. - institutes of christian religion volume 2 by John Calvin (page 856)"

which uses the raven to remind me of my utter worthlessness without Christ, denoting the value depicted in Matthew.

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and Lastly: An early form of the monogram of Christ, found in early Christian ossuaries in Palestinia, was formed by superimposing the first (capital) letters of the Greek words for Jesus and Christ, i.e. iota Ι and chi Χ, so that this monogram means "Jesus Christ".

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Re: An eager and enthusiastic student from California

Postby Staropramen » Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:26 am

Colston wrote:In search for segregation and Bible exposition i began to e-mail the contacts listed by the KKK to use for any questions i may have. I have been in a conversation about doctrine with Billy Roper for a while now and he gave me a link to Christogenia to use as a reference.


Do you post on the White Nationalist Network forum? That forum is run by my friend Bob from the Knights Party and there is a member there named Billy Roper. I try to promote Christogenea there. I've been to Harrison Arkansas to attend a KKK function and I also met up with the Knights Party folks in Pulaski Tennessee once for a rally. Good people. I've got a bunch of videos that I shot at both events uploaded here;

https://www.youtube.com/user/SamanthaTheCat/videos

Pastor Robb is a good man and is very knowledgeable about American history. However I find his sermons to oftentimes be a bit surface theologically. You've come to the right place if you want to dig deeper in your understanding.
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Re: An eager and enthusiastic student from California

Postby Colston » Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:39 pm

Yes Staropramen, his sermons are a bit Surface. No i do not post on the forum you had mentioned and i have not been to any events hosted by the Knights Party. Mainly because i do not want to devote myself to a doctrine and its practices until i am more than 100% sure what i am devoting myself to is truth. I am so far laden with uncertainty, to which i know my only foundation and place of comfort is the Bible which is Gods holy word and in who's sovereignty has given me a faith in him, and a birthright which will lead to my salvation which is sufficient for all of his children, but efficient for few. I am only trying to find the best way to invest what i am given so that His name may be glorified.

My mother lives in Upland Arkansas, and if this is found to be true i should be able to finagle my way into acquiring transportation - but like i said, there is still a long ways to go from here. I see that i am in a widely different time frame then most of your predominant forum users, but i do enjoy that - an unfortunately small - but very devoted community has come together and i do want to thank you guys for both your quick responses and "knowing what you believe" and "why you believe it" which is an attribute that has poisoned many Christians with its absence.
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Re: An eager and enthusiastic student from California

Postby wmfinck » Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:39 pm

Colston wrote:... Billy Roper for a while now and he gave me a link to Christogenea to use as a reference. He personally holds to the doctrine debunked in Mr Finck's and Sword Brethren's first, second, and part of their third podcast describing the seedline (or tree-line) doctrine, entitled pragmatic Genesis.... As of now in my current state of spiritual maturity, my 5-point Calvanist and Reform doctrine have proven to be the most Biblically sound, not requiring external resources to support doctrine. (as the Armenian doctrine and Emergent Doctrine *or lack there of* does). However, it feels like there is something missing. CI has yet to sway me Biblically to fit the hole in truth currently nagging at me, but i am eager to see its end....


I do not know Billy Roper, but I have heard of him. A lot of the older CI people hold to the multiple-Adam folly popularized by the British Israel people of the 19th century.

Reformed doctrine has some huge problems as they put other so-called races on the level of the Adamic race, they diminish the importance of the promises to the patriarchs of Israel, and they refuse to accept that seed is seed, for what little I know of them.

If you have only listened to the first few episodes of Pragmatic Genesis, you have a long way to go to see the CI truth. Hopefully you will continue in patience.
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