strangers in the old testament.

[MikeTheAdamite]

Can anybody establish the accuracy of these definitions?
In the old testament,we have several Hebrew words all translated 'stranger'.The most common being :ger,zuwr and nokriy.
Gir,I believe would be a guest foreigner or kinsman,ie:an adamic man (not necessarily an Israelite)
Zuwr would be specifically a non adamic foreigner (any Canaanite mamzer)
Nokriy could be either an adamic foreigner or a non adamic foreigner.

Can anybody please correct me if any of these definitions you believe are incorrect.
I had believed that Nokriy was specifically non adamic but Ruth descibed herself as Nokriy in Ruth 2:10

[Lang]

According to Mark Downey: "(...) there are different Hebrew words having different meanings, which have all been translated into one English word… stranger. However, it doesn't take much effort to find out what they are. The stranger in the Deut. example is the Hebrew word 'ger' (#1616 in Strong's Concordance) and means a guest foreigner or a kinsman that sojourns in your land. The stranger in the next example, Numbers 1:51, is the Hebrew word 'zuwr' (#2114) and means a foreigner also, but not as a guest or kinsman; with the proviso of being profane (considered racial pollution and therefore impure and unholy) suggesting adultery (racial adulteration). There is a third stranger in Scripture and the Hebrew word is 'nokriy' (#5237), which comes from the word 'noker' (#5235) and means strange - as something unexpected, like a calamity; 'nokriy' is specifically non-relative and adulterous i.e. they are not related to you genetically."

If Ruth indeed described herself as a nokriy, theres something wrong.

[MikeTheAdamite]

Yes,I had used Marks article 'dont talk to strangers' to reach my initial understanding of the Hebrew words,only to be confused by the definition of 'nokriy'.
I have since cleared this up with Marks help to reach the above listed definitions.

Ruth was not misquoted or mistaken in describing herself as Nokriy,as this word can basically be used to describe any foreigner,adamic or non adamic.

[Kentucky]

It was my error and I apologize. It was promptly corrected. Sheesh, I hate it when I do that

Mark

[MikeTheAdamite]

If it wasn't for your article 'don't talk to strangers' Mark,I would never have been made aware of the different hebrew words translated as stranger!I knew about many of the other words that have caused controversy like Man,world,beast,Jew,gentile etc but not Stranger.So full credit to you Mark for bringing it to my attention.

[Rogue]

What about the Foreigner in Deut 28:43 The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower.

Are they other uses for that also?

[MikeTheAdamite]

What about the Foreigner in Deut 28:43 The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower.

Are they other uses for that also?

Interesting find Rogue!
The word here is 'HAG-GER' and does seem to be specifically referring to Non adamic people,but don't quote ne on that please!!

[Kentucky]

What about the Foreigner in Deut 28:43 The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower.

Are they other uses for that also?

Interesting find Rogue!
The word here is 'HAG-GER' and does seem to be specifically referring to Non adamic people,but don't quote ne on that please!!

Chapter 28 is about the blessings and curses. Verse 43 is among the verses that iterate the curses. The stranger in Deut. 28:43, according to Strong's, is #1616, ger, which is a foreigner of our own race. I believe it is talking about the 'useful idiots' of our own race who have become the agents of usury banking and race traitors. This debt-money system has always hired indigenous employees for its kings and priests to insure a profit margin until such time that controls no longer prohibit racial aliens from doing the same thing and thus canceling Deut. 17:15, “You shall surely set him king over you, whom the Lord your God shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set king over you: you may not set a stranger over you, who is not your brother.” You could call it 'outsourcing antichrist usurers' to the point of a godless one world government and economy.

Mark

[MikeTheAdamite]

I apologise for my misunderstanding of the translation of foreigner in Deuteronomy 28:43.the hebrew is indeed Ger which I understand to be an Adamic foreigner as Mark has correctly shown.

[wmfinck]

A couple of things that are missed in assessing the way in which the various words for stranger were used in the Old Testament Hebrew are these:

1) The colloquial idioms of the various eras. There are, rounding roughly, about 500 years between Moses and Ruth, 1000 years between Moses and Daniel, and 1100 years between Moses and Ezra. We cannot expect the vocabulary to remain absolutely consistent between these distant centuries, and with certainty it did not. Therefore considering the law of God, the usage in the books of Moses should be considered first.

2) The historical perspective and national attitudes. At the time of Ezra and Nehemiah, even "lost" Israelites among the Samaritans were absolutely despised, since they could not document their genealogy. Since the objective of the time was to preserve the racial integrity of the remnant nation, everybody who had no recorded genealogy was evidently a candidate for nokriy status! This attitude, I believe, was carried over into the books of Chronicles, which were compiled around that same time.

[I know, the post is old and I am late. I have 3 pages of bookmarked topics, sorry!]