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The creation of the Adamites

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The creation of the Adamites

Postby Joe » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:58 am

After listening and reading to various opinions on the subject (I still have much more to get through, but wanted to get some other ideas) it seems that Scripture allows a number of interpretations as to how the Adamic race was created after Adam. The issue can be articulated around the question about the wife for Seth.

There were many trees in the garden, good for eating ...however these were all created after Adam.

So some of the valid interpretations I have heard is that Seth took his wife from amongst these metaphorical trees, the trees that were good for eating. But these may have been simply trees for food.

Another possibility that has been discussed is that Seth got his wife in the same manner as Adam, but that we are not told about it ...that she was created by Yahweh.

Either way, there were no pre-Adamites before Adam. But on this issue what are some of the ideas you guys had as to the creation of the rest of the White race through Adam then Seth?


If there is Scripture to provide further insight, even in the Forgotten Books of Eden, I would certainly like to hear about it (I am getting to those too, lol). Perhaps some opinions have changed on this... ; however your plausible and logical ideas would be appreciated.
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Re: The creation of the Adamites

Postby Kentucky » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:04 am

Joe wrote:Either way, there were no pre-Adamites before Adam.

Pre-Adamite or pre-Adamic are terms most often associated with non-Whites. (But I know what you meant).

But on this issue what are some of the ideas you guys had as to the creation of the rest of the White race through Adam then Seth?[/b]

One theory is that it was through the first siblings before the law against incest.

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Re: The creation of the Adamites

Postby Joe » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:25 am

Kentucky says
One theory is that it was through the first siblings before the law against incest.


I hadn't thought of that, thanks. You have given me something to think and read about. I suppose Simeon took Dinah and Sarah was Abraham's half-sister before the Law against incest.
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Re: The creation of the Adamites

Postby marc4liberty » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:49 pm

I am still not persuaded that the non-white races were not created on the sixth day when God created mankind (adam) in his own image. I have been following the teaching of Dr. Arnold Murray on that issue: http://www.shepherdschapel.com/critics.htm I still believe that the specific man, Adam (eth haa Aadam) was formed by God after the 7th day. That specific man, Adam, is the first of the Adamic race that brought forth Jesus (Yahshua). However, I am keeping an open mind.
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Re: The creation of the Adamites

Postby Joe » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:39 am

Listen to the pragmatic Genesis series here at Christogenea.
http://christogenea.org/content/christogenea-saturdays-october-5th-2013-explaining-two-seedline-part-1-pragmatic-genesis
It has cleared many questions for me.

Genesis 2 is a recapitulation of Genesis 1. There is only one Adam, if you believe that eth ha Adam was a different Adam than ha Adam then you run into all sorts of difficulties with later Scripture.

I can't think clearly atm, as I am tired, so I really hope you check-out that podcast and tell me what you think.
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Re: The creation of the Adamites

Postby marc4liberty » Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:53 am

I listened to the pragmatic Genesis series on Christogenea and I still am not persuaded that the man (mankind) of Genesis 1:26-27 is the same as the man of Genesis 2:7. Not only were these not the same creation of man, but you should also notice the sequence of the creation of the beasts of the earth (wild animals created before the man and female) are not the same as the beasts of the field (domesticated animals created after the man). The woman in Genesis 1:27 was created at the same time as the man of Genesis 1:27. That is not the case for the woman in Genesis 2:22 who was made from the man and at a different time than the man.

The best explanation I have found of this two-creation events is here:http://www.biblestudysite.com/creation.htm

Near the end is a very good (IMHO) analysis of the Hebrew translation of eth has Aadam. These words appear in both Genesis 1:27 and 2:7 and refer to two specific creation events.

I am not saying that I am completely persuaded by this either. I just have not fund a better analysis - even that of William Finck. I look forward to your reply.
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Re: The creation of the Adamites

Postby Joe » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:19 am

I was going to go through the article and compare and contrast, but if Bill can't convince you, because he is much more learned than I, what chance do I have. I just wanted to point-out a few things that I thought were problematic with the article.

For starters, it relies on one Man being formed, and another created. It relies on an 8th day creation. I can't believe you have listened to Bill's series and can still hold this view. If you do, there is not much more I can say. But here is Bill's breakdown on the created vs formed theory.

There is an argument put forth by certain clowns that the man who was “created” (Genesis 1) must be different than the man which was “formed” (Genesis 2). Of course, the adam of Genesis 5 was also created, where the word formed does not appear. Yet the same hypocrites who claim to be Israelites thereby have to claim descent from the adam of Genesis 5! If their argument is true, how could they have the Spirit of God imparted to the Adam of Genesis 2?

Deuteronomy 32: 18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. 19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

Job 33:6 Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay.

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Isaiah 43:1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

Isaiah 43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.


Notice that there would have to be more than one Israel for this theory to hold through the rest of the Bible.

The paper highlights this passage strongly (from your link).
But probably the most striking evidence that Genesis chapter One and Genesis chapter Two are not speaking of the same event would be:

In Gen 1, the plants and animals were created BEFORE man(kind) was created.

In Gen 2, the plants and animals were formed AFTER the man Adam was formed.


This is not even the case, in my Bible Genesis 2:6 describes the mist watering the plants then He forms Adam (we already discussed formed vs created). He then places Adam in the Garden of Eden. So I suppose we have two different creations of plant-life on two different planets ...it -is- a recapitulation. It is a parable that gives more information about the creation of Adam.

Yahweh only made that which is good and follows His Law of kind after kind, the other races are not good!. Negroes, jews, chinks and arabs are mongrelized even within conventional understandings. Yes, even the chinamen are hybrids.

They refer to the KJV 'one blood' passage, Acts 17:26:
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;


Here is Bill's translation
26 And He made from one every nation of men to dwell upon all the face of the earth, appointing the times ordained and the boundaries of their settlements, 27 to seek God. If surely then they would seek after Him then they would find Him, and indeed He being not far from each one of us.


So the the following assertion is based on an anomaly within the KJV translation. They also speak of allowing themselves to take the blood of devils, saying that all blood is the same. This is not the case, our DNA and our blood is different. Even their flesh is corrupt, ours is good, made by Yahweh.
So we see that the body (flesh) is different from the blood. While all races may have the same blood types they do not all have the same bodies. A father can pass on a hereditary disease through his DNA, not through his blood. We could take another's blood into us and remain genetically the same, but if science ever is able to fuse the DNA of two races then the race of the candidate will be be a mixed race, the product would be a new race that is neither fully one race or fully the other race. Nature does this automatically when parents of two races merge in childbearing.

This is meaningless and is based on a mistranslation in the KJV.

They then make some statement about evil scientist creating human/animal hybrids ...in-fact such corruptions already exists contrary to God Law.

They talk about 'racism', a term created by jewish mass-murder, lenin.
That is not the only flaw in their racist theories, for through Christ Jesus all can be adopted into the Kingdom of God. These racists give us Bible students a bad name, for we sometimes get 'lumped in' with their racist groups because we realize from the Scriptures that God created different races. ...Racism is hate and prejudice based solely upon difference in race. Racialism is the observance of the inherent differences among the various races and tribes of mankind....


Not the sort of thing I want to waste my time with. I don't have time for this, Bill's works already discusses all this things ...I really cannot do better than he has done.

Sorry. But I think you are trying to make some sort of vague connection between Bill's work and 'racism', and preferring this other garbage to allow devils into the creation.
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Re: The creation of the Adamites

Postby Fenwick » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:35 am

marc4liberty wrote: The woman in Genesis 1:27 was created at the same time as the man of Genesis 1:27. That is not the case for the woman in Genesis 2:22 who was made from the man and at a different time than the man.


The problem there is that the word for man in Genesis 1:27 is still adam, the root word being reddish, ruddy etc. I can't see God creating a yellow mongoloid, a black negro and a brown arab and then saying "we will call these things "ruddy".
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Re: The creation of the Adamites

Postby Kentucky » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:11 pm

marc4liberty wrote:I am still not persuaded that the non-white races were not created on the sixth day when God created mankind (adam) in his own image. I have been following the teaching of Dr. Arnold Murray on that issue: http://www.shepherdschapel.com/critics.htm I still believe that the specific man, Adam (eth haa Aadam) was formed by God after the 7th day. That specific man, Adam, is the first of the Adamic race that brought forth Jesus (Yahshua). However, I am keeping an open mind.

Murray has pretty much sold his birthright for a mess of 24/7 TV broadcasting. This is what he said, from the link you provided:

Racism

To say that I teach racism or practice racism is another outright lie. We have people of all races that attend and study with the Shepherd's Chapel. It is very simple to prove this statement. We televise our annual Passover meetings including video interviews of many of the thousands who attend. Order a video tape of any of these interviews and you will see people of all races which effectively documents the falseness of any charges that I teach racism


Heaven forbid that we should ever be called "racist." Especially in light of the God of Israel being racist and discriminates.

Our friend in New Zealand, Arnold Kennedy, made this list some years ago and it is always timely when the charge of racism is leveled:

1.Do you not believe that God chose Israel above other nations. "Only the
LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after
them, even you above all people". -(Deut 10:15, etc) THIS IS RACIST!

2.Do you not believe what "the Throne of the Lord" is. 1 Chron. 29:23 and
Jer.3:17 refers to the Throne of the God over Israel and Jerusalem. THIS IS
RACIST!

3.Do you not believe God made covenants and promises to Abraham's seed
which He did not make to other seeds. THIS IS RACIST!

4.Do you not believe the differences between Edomites and Egyptians being
treated differently than Ammonites and Moabites in regard to half casts with
Israelites being barred from assembly for three, seven or ten generations
after marrying back into Israelite stock. THIS IS RACIST!

5. Do you not believe that God demanded ethnic cleansing when Israel
entered Canaan (and killing their animals too). THIS IS RACIST!

6.Do you not believe Canaanites and their offspring are barred from the
congregation of the Lord and in the end, "And in that day there shall be no
more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts". THIS IS RACIST!

7.Do you not believe the Biblical origins of race. Gen. 19:37, "The same
is the father of the Moabites unto this day". THESE ARE ALL RACIST!

8.Do you not believe God requires that races be separated from Israelites
"I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people".(Lev.
20:24). THIS IS RACIST!

9.Do you not believe, "Now therefore give not your daughters unto their
sons, neither take their daughters unto your sons, nor seek their peace or
their wealth for ever". THIS IS RACIST!

10.Do you not believe that racial intermarriage is prohibited, and that
divorce of foreign wives and mixed offspring is demanded. -(Ezra 10 and
Nehemiah 10 on). THIS IS RACIST!

11.Do you not believe, "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the
great prince which standeth for the children of thy people". THIS IS RACIST!

12.Do you not believe the limitation of, "For the transgression of my
people was He stricken". THIS IS RACIST!

13.Do you not believe that there are people described as "evil beasts"
that have hands and can even pray. THIS IS RACIST!

14.Do you not believe the separation of people into "man and beast"
-Jonah 3:8. THIS IS RACIST!

15.Do you not believe that God says he places His Name on one people.
Num. 6:27. THIS IS RACIST!

16.Do you not believe that some people are not "ordained to eternal
life" Acts 13:48. THIS IS RACIST!

17.Do you not believe Jesus when He says that the mysteries of God are
not given for everyone to understand. Matt. 13:11. THIS IS RACIST!

18.Do you not believe, "The promises made to the fathers (of Israel) are
fulfilled in us their children". THIS IS RACIST!

19.Do you not believe the basis is belief within a race; that those
"foreknown" in the NT are those "known" in the OT. (Rom). 8:29. THIS IS RACIST!

20.Do you not believe that goats cannot turn into Sheep, or Tares into
Wheat. THAT IS RACIST!

21.Do you not believe that "adoption" only pertains to Israel -Rom.9:4.
THIS IS RACIST!

22.Do you not believe that grafting "in again" or "back again" can
only mean Israelites. THIS IS RACIST!

23.Do you not believe that only Israelites can become "lost" and "lost
sheep" Luke 19:9-10. THIS IS RACIST!

24.Do you not believe the racial/sexual content of "touch" in ,"Touch
not the unclean (people = "them") in 2 Cor. 6:17. (There is no "thing" in this
verse). THIS IS RACIST!

25.Do you not believe Jesus says, "I am not sent but to the lost sheep
of the House of Israel". THIS IS RACIST!

26.Do you not believe Jesus says, "Go not but to the lost sheep of the
House of Israel". THIS IS RACIST!

27.Do you not believe that the Potter makes differing vessels (races)
for different purposes. God IS RACIST!

28.Do you not believe this witness is true, "The Cretians are always
liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true". THIS IS RACIST!

29.Do you not believe the limitation of, "And many of the Children of
Israel shall he turn to the "Lord their God". THIS IS RACIST!

30.Do you not believe God set boundaries for the races-Acts 17:26. (One
blood" is not in most manuscripts). THIS IS RACIST!

31.Do you not believe Luke 1:68-9 and the limitations and implications
of phrases within it, "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited
and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the
house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets,
which have been since the world began: That we should be saved from our enemies,
and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our
fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our
father Abraham". THESE ARE VERY RACIST NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES!

32.Do you not believe that God is not described anywhere directly other
than as "The God of Israel". THIS IS RACIST!

33.Do you not believe that God is called only, "The Redeemer of
Israel". THIS IS RACIST!

34.Do you not believe Luke 2:34, "And Simeon blessed them, and said unto
Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of
many in Israel". THIS IS RACIST!

35.Do you not believe the limitation of John 1:31, "And I knew him
not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing
with water". THIS IS RACIST!

36.Do you not believe Acts 5:30, "The God of our fathers raised up
Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand
to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and
forgiveness of sins". THIS IS RACIST!

37.Do you not believe that the New Covenant is made with the House of
Israel and the House of Judah only (Heb. 8:8-9). THIS IS RACIST!

38.Do you not believe that James wrote to,"The Twelve Tribes scattered"
where "scattered" = diaspora, and that Peter wrote to,"The strangers
scattered = diaspora". THIS IS RACIST!

39.Do you not believe that all those sealed in Rev.7, were from
Israelite tribes (phule), and were the great multitude John also saw who were "phule"
also, who were gathered out from amongst (ek) where they had been scattered
in the diaspora.I THIS IS RACIST!

40.Do you not believe only Israelites are within the New Jerusalem, with
the other races (still in the picture) being outside the city. THIS IS
RACIST!

You do not believe many such things, simply because they are racist!!!

Can you see yourself on judgment day shouting, "God, for at least forty
reasons you have had it all wrong...THAT IS RACIST!"


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Re: The creation of the Adamites

Postby marc4liberty » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:09 pm

I didn't intend that all of the material from my links be used. I agree that God created only one race for salvation. God created this form of racism and it is good, by definition.

I use the KJV Bible. This also has mis-translations and that is why I am learning so much from Bill.

I don't think it matters if both the 6th day creation and the 8th day creation were formed and/or created. They were both created but with different characteristics. God breathed into the 8th-day man's nostrils the breath of life. This I believe is the soul.

Strong's word 120 definition includes mankind and is not restricted to just the meaning of word 119 which is ruddy.

The animals God created in Genesis 2 are different than the and animals of Genesis 1. God planted a garden (domesticated plants) and formed the beasts of the field (domesticated animals) in Genesis 2. That is why God says in Genesis 2:5 that there was not a man to till the ground. God knew that the man of Genesis 2 (eth ha Aadam) would be a farmer. God created these particular animals AFTER he formed this specific man Adam and then He brought them unto Adam to name. In Genesis 1, God created the wild plants and animals BEFORE he created mankind and mankind was not given the privilege of naming them.

In short, I think we are mostly in agreement. God's creation on the 6th day was just as good as His creation on the 8th day. If one day is like a thousand years to Yahweh, then mankind existed for more than one thousand years before Adam. That would also explain where Cain found his wife when he was driven out as a fugitive and vagabond.

I appreciate the time and effort that both of you put into your explanation. I still have an open mind on this subject. Perhaps you or someone else will still be able to open my eyes to a new truth.
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