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Joe wrote:Either way, there were no pre-Adamites before Adam.
But on this issue what are some of the ideas you guys had as to the creation of the rest of the White race through Adam then Seth?[/b]
One theory is that it was through the first siblings before the law against incest.
There is an argument put forth by certain clowns that the man who was “created” (Genesis 1) must be different than the man which was “formed” (Genesis 2). Of course, the adam of Genesis 5 was also created, where the word formed does not appear. Yet the same hypocrites who claim to be Israelites thereby have to claim descent from the adam of Genesis 5! If their argument is true, how could they have the Spirit of God imparted to the Adam of Genesis 2?
Deuteronomy 32: 18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. 19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
Job 33:6 Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Isaiah 43:1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
Isaiah 43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
But probably the most striking evidence that Genesis chapter One and Genesis chapter Two are not speaking of the same event would be:
In Gen 1, the plants and animals were created BEFORE man(kind) was created.
In Gen 2, the plants and animals were formed AFTER the man Adam was formed.
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
26 And He made from one every nation of men to dwell upon all the face of the earth, appointing the times ordained and the boundaries of their settlements, 27 to seek God. If surely then they would seek after Him then they would find Him, and indeed He being not far from each one of us.
So we see that the body (flesh) is different from the blood. While all races may have the same blood types they do not all have the same bodies. A father can pass on a hereditary disease through his DNA, not through his blood. We could take another's blood into us and remain genetically the same, but if science ever is able to fuse the DNA of two races then the race of the candidate will be be a mixed race, the product would be a new race that is neither fully one race or fully the other race. Nature does this automatically when parents of two races merge in childbearing.
That is not the only flaw in their racist theories, for through Christ Jesus all can be adopted into the Kingdom of God. These racists give us Bible students a bad name, for we sometimes get 'lumped in' with their racist groups because we realize from the Scriptures that God created different races. ...Racism is hate and prejudice based solely upon difference in race. Racialism is the observance of the inherent differences among the various races and tribes of mankind....
marc4liberty wrote: The woman in Genesis 1:27 was created at the same time as the man of Genesis 1:27. That is not the case for the woman in Genesis 2:22 who was made from the man and at a different time than the man.
marc4liberty wrote:I am still not persuaded that the non-white races were not created on the sixth day when God created mankind (adam) in his own image. I have been following the teaching of Dr. Arnold Murray on that issue: http://www.shepherdschapel.com/critics.htm I still believe that the specific man, Adam (eth haa Aadam) was formed by God after the 7th day. That specific man, Adam, is the first of the Adamic race that brought forth Jesus (Yahshua). However, I am keeping an open mind.
Racism
To say that I teach racism or practice racism is another outright lie. We have people of all races that attend and study with the Shepherd's Chapel. It is very simple to prove this statement. We televise our annual Passover meetings including video interviews of many of the thousands who attend. Order a video tape of any of these interviews and you will see people of all races which effectively documents the falseness of any charges that I teach racism
1.Do you not believe that God chose Israel above other nations. "Only the
LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after
them, even you above all people". -(Deut 10:15, etc) THIS IS RACIST!
2.Do you not believe what "the Throne of the Lord" is. 1 Chron. 29:23 and
Jer.3:17 refers to the Throne of the God over Israel and Jerusalem. THIS IS
RACIST!
3.Do you not believe God made covenants and promises to Abraham's seed
which He did not make to other seeds. THIS IS RACIST!
4.Do you not believe the differences between Edomites and Egyptians being
treated differently than Ammonites and Moabites in regard to half casts with
Israelites being barred from assembly for three, seven or ten generations
after marrying back into Israelite stock. THIS IS RACIST!
5. Do you not believe that God demanded ethnic cleansing when Israel
entered Canaan (and killing their animals too). THIS IS RACIST!
6.Do you not believe Canaanites and their offspring are barred from the
congregation of the Lord and in the end, "And in that day there shall be no
more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts". THIS IS RACIST!
7.Do you not believe the Biblical origins of race. Gen. 19:37, "The same
is the father of the Moabites unto this day". THESE ARE ALL RACIST!
8.Do you not believe God requires that races be separated from Israelites
"I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people".(Lev.
20:24). THIS IS RACIST!
9.Do you not believe, "Now therefore give not your daughters unto their
sons, neither take their daughters unto your sons, nor seek their peace or
their wealth for ever". THIS IS RACIST!
10.Do you not believe that racial intermarriage is prohibited, and that
divorce of foreign wives and mixed offspring is demanded. -(Ezra 10 and
Nehemiah 10 on). THIS IS RACIST!
11.Do you not believe, "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the
great prince which standeth for the children of thy people". THIS IS RACIST!
12.Do you not believe the limitation of, "For the transgression of my
people was He stricken". THIS IS RACIST!
13.Do you not believe that there are people described as "evil beasts"
that have hands and can even pray. THIS IS RACIST!
14.Do you not believe the separation of people into "man and beast"
-Jonah 3:8. THIS IS RACIST!
15.Do you not believe that God says he places His Name on one people.
Num. 6:27. THIS IS RACIST!
16.Do you not believe that some people are not "ordained to eternal
life" Acts 13:48. THIS IS RACIST!
17.Do you not believe Jesus when He says that the mysteries of God are
not given for everyone to understand. Matt. 13:11. THIS IS RACIST!
18.Do you not believe, "The promises made to the fathers (of Israel) are
fulfilled in us their children". THIS IS RACIST!
19.Do you not believe the basis is belief within a race; that those
"foreknown" in the NT are those "known" in the OT. (Rom). 8:29. THIS IS RACIST!
20.Do you not believe that goats cannot turn into Sheep, or Tares into
Wheat. THAT IS RACIST!
21.Do you not believe that "adoption" only pertains to Israel -Rom.9:4.
THIS IS RACIST!
22.Do you not believe that grafting "in again" or "back again" can
only mean Israelites. THIS IS RACIST!
23.Do you not believe that only Israelites can become "lost" and "lost
sheep" Luke 19:9-10. THIS IS RACIST!
24.Do you not believe the racial/sexual content of "touch" in ,"Touch
not the unclean (people = "them") in 2 Cor. 6:17. (There is no "thing" in this
verse). THIS IS RACIST!
25.Do you not believe Jesus says, "I am not sent but to the lost sheep
of the House of Israel". THIS IS RACIST!
26.Do you not believe Jesus says, "Go not but to the lost sheep of the
House of Israel". THIS IS RACIST!
27.Do you not believe that the Potter makes differing vessels (races)
for different purposes. God IS RACIST!
28.Do you not believe this witness is true, "The Cretians are always
liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true". THIS IS RACIST!
29.Do you not believe the limitation of, "And many of the Children of
Israel shall he turn to the "Lord their God". THIS IS RACIST!
30.Do you not believe God set boundaries for the races-Acts 17:26. (One
blood" is not in most manuscripts). THIS IS RACIST!
31.Do you not believe Luke 1:68-9 and the limitations and implications
of phrases within it, "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited
and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the
house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets,
which have been since the world began: That we should be saved from our enemies,
and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our
fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our
father Abraham". THESE ARE VERY RACIST NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES!
32.Do you not believe that God is not described anywhere directly other
than as "The God of Israel". THIS IS RACIST!
33.Do you not believe that God is called only, "The Redeemer of
Israel". THIS IS RACIST!
34.Do you not believe Luke 2:34, "And Simeon blessed them, and said unto
Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of
many in Israel". THIS IS RACIST!
35.Do you not believe the limitation of John 1:31, "And I knew him
not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing
with water". THIS IS RACIST!
36.Do you not believe Acts 5:30, "The God of our fathers raised up
Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand
to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and
forgiveness of sins". THIS IS RACIST!
37.Do you not believe that the New Covenant is made with the House of
Israel and the House of Judah only (Heb. 8:8-9). THIS IS RACIST!
38.Do you not believe that James wrote to,"The Twelve Tribes scattered"
where "scattered" = diaspora, and that Peter wrote to,"The strangers
scattered = diaspora". THIS IS RACIST!
39.Do you not believe that all those sealed in Rev.7, were from
Israelite tribes (phule), and were the great multitude John also saw who were "phule"
also, who were gathered out from amongst (ek) where they had been scattered
in the diaspora.I THIS IS RACIST!
40.Do you not believe only Israelites are within the New Jerusalem, with
the other races (still in the picture) being outside the city. THIS IS
RACIST!
You do not believe many such things, simply because they are racist!!!
Can you see yourself on judgment day shouting, "God, for at least forty
reasons you have had it all wrong...THAT IS RACIST!"
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