Nayto wrote:You say that if you are currently committing some act of sin or have committed, you should not judge any kindred on that sin.
It is utter hypocrisy to judge a man for something that you yourself are doing. In judging another, you convict yourself. If you are committing fornication, what right do you have to judge a fornicator? You first must repent - pulling the beam out of your own eye - and then seek to correct your brethren from a position of humility.
Nayto wrote:I think it's easy to get mixed up with the word, "judge". It is in fact a very rich word which has all sorts of associations based on the context of the word and unfortunately there are some very negative contexts for this word in a Christian context thanks to judeo-churchianity.
It is easy to get mixed up with the word "judge" mostly because Christians today judge
but take no action in relation to their judgment. They dislike sexual deviants, and they still associate with them. They bite their own tongues to avoid controversy, or hurting anyone's feelings. Their preachers marry women to apes, and they still attend their services and give them donations! Therefore like it or not, they become signatories to their sin.
Nayto wrote:[In reference to my explanation of Acts chapter 15:] I agree that this was a transition phase, and amongst the morass of pharisaic leaven it was probably just simpler to tell them to do those things. However this does not mean that the sum total of the law lies there in, or that the rest of the law was cast aside. I find it interesting that they did not mention "love your kindred as you would love yourself". Surely this is a great error on their part?
The instructions issued by the apostle in Acts chapter 15 were for the people of Antioch - converts to Christianity from the Hellenistic world - and they were issued in order to clarify certain things. They were not really additions to the ten commandments, but rather they were clarifications necessary due to differences in culture and in the understanding of certain terms, for the apostles were indeed teaching many things from the Old Testament scriptures.
The apostles also taught that there were eleven commandments. The eleventh being the "new commandment" to love one another. Paul taught that also, but evidently - since he did not hear the words of Christ, he taught it on slightly different terms than John. Paul taught that, keeping the commandments, we should owe no man any thing except to love one another.
Judeo-Christians love to preach the ten commandments, but real Christians really have eleven.Nayto wrote:None of the original law has fallen away. We know for a fact that even before Moses gave the law at Sinai that there was some law which governed how God's people were to act, otherwise He would not have judged Sodom and Gomorrah!
It should be evident, that there are eternal laws which transcend the Levitical law. This was said at Genesis 26:5, over four hundred years before the Levitical law: "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."
Romans 7:1-4 is but one passage which proves that Israel was freed from the Levitical law. The apostles agreed at Acts 15:10. Paul told the Galatians that "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." (Galatians 3:24-25)
We must understand that if we were to be judged by the Levitical law, our entire race has failed and we would all be liable to death. Yet as Christians, we should endeavor to keep the law, knowing that it is an ideal we should aspire to. That is also a lesson of Romans chapter 7.
Since we (those of us who are true Israel) have been granted mercy, and not judged by the law, all Israel shall indeed be saved. However we shall also be rewarded according to our works.
Nayto wrote:I listened for another 5 minutes and had more comments
I hope you have listened to both podcasts and considered all of these things. They all must be taken into account and reconciled with one another before a shadow of the truth can be understood.
Nayto wrote:Obviously we will never attain this law completely, but we must strive for it always even though it will not save us. I mean, we need Christ because the law is currently in effect!
The laws of our God are timeless. But the Levitical law is only a reflection of that eternal law, codifed for the purpose of the Old Kingdom.
From Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."
It is time to follow those laws written upon our hearts, reflected in the
eleven commandments, since one thing we should have learned from the Old Kingdom through the Scriptures is that the keeping of the letter of the law leads to Pharisaism, and not to righteousness.
If you love your brother, it is difficult to break one of the first ten commandments.
Nayto wrote:If we keep a part of the law we must keep it all, right? Yes, but only when it comes to the salvation of Israel and by extension our salvation personally. Does this mean we need to forsake keeping what parts of the law we can? I seriously don't think so.
James says: "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." (2:12)
If you look to the law for righteousness, you have failed, because you have not only rejected the mercy and salvation of Christ, but you also better keep the entire law perfectly - something which no man can do.
Therefore understand that while the law is our tutor, and we should aspire to it, we cannot gain righteous before God by it. The law does not bind us. We have all been purchased by Christ and His mercy binds us. In Him we have liberty from the judgements of the law. If He has saved us, nothing can destroy us. We are to extend that same mercy to our brethren, being fully obedient to the Master.
Romans 5:18-20 with some clarification in brackets: "Therefore as by the offence of one [Adam] judgment came upon all men [Adam's descendants] to condemnation [all men being destined to die once]; even so by the righteousness of one [Christ] the free gift [salvation] came upon all men [all Adamites] unto justification of life [resurrection]. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners [the entire race of Adam], so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous [Christ]. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound [that we may recognize evil]. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound [mercy in Christ is without exception]: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."
Surely we must aspire to keep the law, and surely we must excommunicate unrepentant sinners. But we are not going to be judged by that law since we have already been granted mercy.
But that does not mean that there is no cause and effect. If we do wicked things, we shall indeed suffer trial in this life, and also risk any reward we may have had in the next.
1 Corinthians 3:11-15: " 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."
If you have done evil, you will be forgiven - the trials of fire shall destroy your evil works. If you have done well, and your good works endure those trials, you will have a reward.
Some men do no good, and they shall have no reward, but the man himself shall be saved. It is for this reason that I believe Daniel said (12:1-2) "KJV Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
All of those who awake are also those written in the book, which must be the Book of Life of the Revelation!!! Those who awake to shame and everlasting contempt may have eternal life, but they have no reward. This is the only way by which to reconcile all of these scriptures and others, in my humble opinion.
Hope this helps.