Are the original fallen angels dead?

[Gaius]

The Pragmatic Genesis series is outstanding, as folk here say, in gaining an understanding of origins. As one "instructed" by meaningless stories about apples and snakes, it has been a true revelation. Another revelation has been presenting it to former "pastors". Just asking if Eve did have a conversation/debate with an actual and real serpent is enough for discomfort and evasion to immediately manifest in them. Sometimes they have become irritated by this simple question, almost always a sure sign of one who knows he is on shaky ground and is being revealed (even to himself) as a fraud ...

[Staropramen]

Just asking if Eve did have a conversation/debate with an actual and real serpent is enough for discomfort and evasion to immediately manifest in them. Sometimes they have become irritated by this simple question, almost always a sure sign of one who knows he is on shaky ground and is being revealed (even to himself) as a fraud ...

That's pretty much what happens every time I try to talk to my wife about the bible. We had a rip roaring fight last night when I corrected her praises of the KJV while she was on the phone with someone. She was incredulous over my pointing out the 1,400 years missing from the Masoretic text. "That's just lies that you and your friends make up"! Yet no matter how many times I invited her to Google "Septuagint Masoretic Timeline" to see for herself this well documented discrepancy she refused to do it.

[Staropramen]

Just asking if Eve did have a conversation/debate with an actual and real serpent is enough for discomfort and evasion to immediately manifest in them. Sometimes they have become irritated by this simple question, almost always a sure sign of one who knows he is on shaky ground and is being revealed (even to himself) as a fraud ...

That's pretty much what happens every time I try to talk to my wife about the bible. We had a rip roaring fight last night when I corrected her praises of the KJV while she was on the phone with someone. She was incredulous over my pointing out the 1,400 years missing from the Masoretic text. "That's just lies that you and your friends make up"! Yet no matter how many times I invited her to Google "Septuagint Masoretic Timeline" to see for herself this well documented discrepancy she refused to do it.

[Gaius]

That's pretty much what happens every time I try to talk to my wife about the bible. We had a rip roaring fight last night when I corrected her praises of the KJV while she was on the phone with someone. She was incredulous over my pointing out the 1,400 years missing from the Masoretic text. "That's just lies that you and your friends make up"! Yet no matter how many times I invited her to Google "Septuagint Masoretic Timeline" to see for herself this well documented discrepancy she refused to do it.

Thanks for the indication about the Masoretic text/KJV, Staro.
I'm still learning about CI, and though I've heard Bill refer to this/rabbinical distortions of Scripture, I don't really know much about it. If you have a reference, I'd be grateful for it. Thanks.

Sorry about your wife and hoping that YHWH may grant "eyes to see" sooner rather than later. From what you've said about her church and the people in it, it looks like a real mess in that quarter.

[Staropramen]

Thanks for the indication about the Masoretic text/KJV, Staro.
I'm still learning about CI, and though I've heard Bill refer to this/rabbinical distortions of Scripture, I don't really know much about it. If you have a reference, I'd be grateful for it. Thanks.

I would suggest doing as I suggested to my wife and simply Google the words "Septuagint Masoretic Timeline". You will find many pages of debates and theories about the 1400 year discrepancy in the timelines. Bill has stated many times that the Septuagint timeline is harmonious with secular ancient history where the Masoretic is not.

[Gaius]

OK, I'll do that; should be interesting. Thanks.

[wmfinck]

OK, I'll do that; should be interesting. Thanks.

Oh yeah, just check out that top link for "Answers in Genesis" hahaha

[Gaius]

Oh yeah, just check out that top link for "Answers in Genesis" hahaha

Right ... that's one I wont be checking ...
About eight years ago, not knowing any better, I accessed AIG and read about reconstructing the Ark (I think) ... That was the start of multiple pleading emails from them, selling, begging funds ... never ending drivel ... Eventually I put a block on their email, cleaned out their cookies etc ...

I haven't yet checked out Staro's suggestion ... so when I do which links do you recommend ... ??
I don't want to spend time wading through stuff like AIG ...

[Staropramen]

I haven't yet checked out Staro's suggestion ... so when I do which links do you recommend ... ??
I don't want to spend time wading through stuff like AIG ...

The point of my telling my wife to Google those words was so that she could see that this discrepancy is not some crazy CI invention. It's been discussed by Christians, judeos and jews from all theological perspectives. Her reaction was as if I was claiming that martians were on the Ark or that the bible teaches that the world is flat. I haven't really studied this subject myself, I only know of it from Swift, Comparet and Bill's teachings.

[Gaius]

Oh, OK, I see what you're saying.
The first I heard it was from Bill, and I'll see if I can recall where that was.
Coming to CI from (mainly) KJV-using churches, I'd just never heard of this discrepancy before.