Are the original fallen angels dead?

[Kentucky]

Wisdom? Maybe we give them more credit than is due. They did fall from grace
afterall. Certainly they are cunning. Our Adamic/ Israelite people are
"Children of Yahweh God" , which would suggest great wisdom, and that
certainly has not been displayed throughout our time. But then, we all
have a role to play and our Father is the orchestrator. I do understand
your point however......... Jews do not work, they spend thier
time in study, learning the fine art of destroying Adamic man, lol......

"Cunning" is the word I use most frequently whenever someone charges the jews with intellectual prowess i.e. Einstein is synonymous with being brainy, when in fact he worked at a patent office and stole the ideas of other German scientists. I don't think they could have fallen from grace, if God hated them in the womb before they were born lol. We are witnessing such a despicable breed of mongrel jewry in the world today, I believe, in order to justify the final solution of total extermination. They cannot be eradicated without the expose' of what they have done. And it really goes beyond the pale of just being cunning; more like serial ritual murder and compulsory vows of perjury (the kol nidre). I had to laugh when the 'Star Trek' series came out with the Ferengies as an inside joke depicting jewry (big heads and fangs), not only in caricature, but behavior as well.

http://www.startrekguide.dk/ukferengi.html

Mark

[brucebohn]

Wisdom? Maybe we give them more credit than is due. They did fall from grace
afterall. Certainly they are cunning. Our Adamic/ Israelite people are
"Children of Yahweh God" , which would suggest great wisdom, and that
certainly has not been displayed throughout our time. But then, we all
have a role to play and our Father is the orchestrator. I do understand
your point however......... Jews do not work, they spend thier
time in study, learning the fine art of destroying Adamic man, lol......

"Cunning" is the word I use most frequently whenever someone charges the jews with intellectual prowess i.e. Einstein is synonymous with being brainy, when in fact he worked at a patent office and stole the ideas of other German scientists. I don't think they could have fallen from grace, if God hated them in the womb before they were born lol. We are witnessing such a despicable breed of mongrel jewry in the world today, I believe, in order to justify the final solution of total extermination. They cannot be eradicated without the expose' of what they have done. And it really goes beyond the pale of just being cunning; more like serial ritual murder and compulsory vows of perjury (the kol nidre). I had to laugh when the 'Star Trek' series came out with the Ferengies as an inside joke depicting jewry (big heads and fangs), not only in caricature, but behavior as well.

http://www.startrekguide.dk/ukferengi.html

Mark

My reference to "Falling from grace" was in relation to the Angels that left thier first estate...
Just for clarification.
And yes Mark, Dr. Spock [ L. Nimoy ] A Jew, revealed that his hand symbols were learned
in his synagogue, lol...........

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Albert Einstein

[Kentucky]

My reference to "Falling from grace" was in relation to the Angels that left thier first estate... Just for clarification.

Oh! my bad. I thought you meant jews. When I hear 'Fall from grace' I think of Adam and Eve, or more specifically 'the fall of man' i.e our entire race. I wonder if there's an analogy to angels? What was their tempter and tree of knowledge of good and evil? The thought occurs to me that if it was mankind, then temptation would have gone full circle from heaven to earth. Somewhat symbiotic. When they (the revolting angels) had their "fall", it sounds like they were swept away (by the tail of the dragon), rather than just leaving an estate. Which begs the question: did they leave on their own volition? If there was war in God's abode, why didn't He kick them out; or better yet, why didn't He just exterminate them then and there? So many questions lol.

Mark

[Joe]

Dr. Spock [ L. Nimoy ] A Jew, revealed that his hand symbols were learned
in his synagogue, lol...........

If there was war in God's abode, why didn't He kick them out; or better yet, why didn't He just exterminate them then and there? So many questions lol.

Adam and Eve also rebelled against God, why did He allow this, why did He give us the ability to rebel against Him, could He have made us as lifeless automatons ?. We will die for this, death is the fruit of rebellion/sin. Perhaps it has something to do with His plan for us, for Him to teach us obedience and live, if we follow Him we will live. Perhaps they exist as an example, in the empty and lifeless way they do 'exist', truly, 'they' are already dead.

Corruptions outside the Law cannot obey or follow Him into Life. There is no life outside of Him.

It is difficult to not think about such things, which Scripture has no clear answers to, it can lead us astray as with not knowing and wondering. What to do.

[MikeTheAdamite]

Thanks for the link Mark,ive never heard of Ken Lent,I will admit but I willread his article.

[Staropramen]

Thanks for the link Mark,ive never heard of Ken Lent,I will admit but I willread his article.

Pastor Mark and Ken Lent did two excellent podcasts about Christianity and the US Consitution worth checking out. Especially interesting is the explanation of the Preamble as an Inheritance Trust containing all the necessary legal components that such a document should contain.

[brucebohn]

Dr. Spock [ L. Nimoy ] A Jew, revealed that his hand symbols were learned
in his synagogue, lol...........

If there was war in God's abode, why didn't He kick them out; or better yet, why didn't He just exterminate them then and there? So many questions lol.

Adam and Eve also rebelled against God, why did He allow this, why did He give us the ability to rebel against Him, could He have made us as lifeless automatons ?. We will die for this, death is the fruit of rebellion/sin. Perhaps it has something to do with His plan for us, for Him to teach us obedience and live, if we follow Him we will live. Perhaps they exist as an example, in the empty and lifeless way they do 'exist', truly, 'they' are already dead.

Corruptions outside the Law cannot obey or follow Him into Life. There is no life outside of Him.

It is difficult to not think about such things, which Scripture has no clear answers to, it can lead us astray as with not knowing and wondering. What to do.

"I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create EVIL, I am Yahweh, that doeth all these things." Isaiah: 45: 7

I have found this verse to be one of the most profound and revealing in all scripture..
Just as the true Israelite/ Judeans were "by design " blinded by Yahweh, so they
would not interfere and prevent the "High Priest's" from nailing our precious Messiah
to the Cross, for, ["it had to be", or else , we would not have salvation,] I am convinced
that we are "ALL", both our Adamic/Israel people, as well as our adversaries, playing the
role that has been pre-ordained! I believe we are here, experiencing both GOOD & EVIL,
to be prepared for our role in the "Kingdom". I do believe we have "free will", however
I also believe that our Father , in his infinite wisdom, knew which of us were
going to exercise that free will..." Our father creates all, LIGHT, DARK, PEACE &"EVIL"!
he is in "FULL CONTROL", nothing happens by chance! He does not struggle against
"EVIL", WE DO! In this, I take great comfort..... This is my "humble" opinion..
I would appreciate your thoughts and input folks..... Praise Yahweh

[MikeTheAdamite]

Great verse Brother Bruce,one I must remember!

[Kentucky]

Adam and Eve also rebelled against God, why did He allow this, why did He give us the ability to rebel against Him, could He have made us as lifeless automatons ?. We will die for this, death is the fruit of rebellion/sin. Perhaps it has something to do with His plan for us, for Him to teach us obedience and live, if we follow Him we will live. Perhaps they exist as an example, in the empty and lifeless way they do 'exist', truly, 'they' are already dead.

If there was never a fall of man, there never would have been a necessity for a Savior. God's plan for the ages is amazing indeed.

Corruptions outside the Law cannot obey or follow Him into Life. There is no life outside of Him.

"He sheweth His word unto Jacob, His statutes and His judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for His judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord" Ps. 147:19-20

It is difficult to not think about such things, which Scripture has no clear answers to, it can lead us astray as with not knowing and wondering. What to do.

That's why we must pray for Him to reveal the truths He wants us to know and understand, which we discover through diligent study and fellowship with others who do likewise. Unanswered questions are not solved by osmosis. "Seek and ye shall find." "You reap what you sow." "Study to show thyself approved, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Mark

[Kentucky]

"I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create EVIL, I am Yahweh, that doeth all these things." Isaiah: 45: 7

I have found this verse to be one of the most profound and revealing in all scripture..

It's a good one to establish His sovereignty above all things. However, we should not misconstrue the word 'evil' here for the malevolence of the world. The 'evil' that Isaiah is talking about is Divine Judgment such as wars, calamities, storms etc. Bill, in his podcasts of late, has been advocating the origins of the other races through the evil machinations of the "fallen angels" and that God had no part of their creation. The same principle can be said about the offspring of miscegenation or mad scientists dabbling in GMO's i.e. it is not of God. In other words, although God in His infinite wisdom is well aware of man playing God, it is not attributable to Him. "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth He any man" James 1:13. Here's the insanity of universalists who say the other races sprung from Adam (and became diversified) and then did it all over again after the Flood of Noah (a type of fast track evolution) and that it's OK to miscegenate, which ultimately destroys the diversity by homogenization of one mongrel type. What a vicious circle.

Just as the true Israelite/ Judeans were "by design " blinded by Yahweh, so they
would not interfere and prevent the "High Priest's" from nailing our precious Messiah
to the Cross, for, ["it had to be", or else , we would not have salvation,] I am convinced
that we are "ALL", both our Adamic/Israel people, as well as our adversaries, playing the
role that has been pre-ordained! I believe we are here, experiencing both GOOD & EVIL,
to be prepared for our role in the "Kingdom".

Jesus called Peter "Satan" for opposing His destiny. This is one of the toughest things for a Christian to discern when they see or experience both good and evil and think they have to "intervene" to make it right or better. It's a type of cognitive dissonance.

I do believe we have "free will", however
I also believe that our Father , in his infinite wisdom, knew which of us were
going to exercise that free will..." Our father creates all, LIGHT, DARK, PEACE &"EVIL"!
he is in "FULL CONTROL", nothing happens by chance! He does not struggle against
"EVIL", WE DO! In this, I take great comfort..... This is my "humble" opinion..
I would appreciate your thoughts and input folks..... Praise Yahweh

I used to think we have free will, until I got to thinking about God being in control of everything. And if that's true, then we only have the illusion of free will. I had to ask myself: who's in charge? God or me? "For my thoughts are not your thoughts" Isaiah 55:8. Hmm, sounds like an insinuation that a thought crime is in the works. This may give you some food for thought: http://kinsmanredeemer.com/FreeWill.htm

Mark