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I guess ADLs Mostwanted isn't coming back, knowing he keeps getting proven wrong.

I want to reiterate and expound a little on more of the obvious. I'm covering a pet peeve of mine (sorry Joey), so I know what I'm talking about. It is this simple. It is all in the Name. The Hebrew name YAHSHUA means "Yahweh is Salvation." So if Yahshua is our Kinsman Redeemer, our Savior, then Yahshua is the fulfillment of His own name. Yeshua, the jewish transliteration of Yahshua, accomplishes one very crucial objective...it denies that "Yeshua" is Yahweh, and thus denying him as the Savior, the Messiah. The name Yeshua does not mean "Yahweh is Salvation". Yahshua is also referred to as Emmanuel, meaning "Elohim (God, Yahweh) is with us," as prophecized in the OT. Yahweh couldn't be more obvious through the declaration of His many witnesses that Yahshua was indeed Yahweh in the flesh. His children are supposed to be the most intelligent life on the planet...maybe He made this truth TOO EASY to understand....

I still occasionally see shadows (spirits? ghosts? demons? )walk in front of the lamp, which until recently has freaked me out. It is so noticeable, it must be them having their fun with me.
Now when I was angry just minutes ago and told it to leave in not a very nice way, it must have have been shocked as a cold chill went across my body.
Actually, once I started saying Yahweh's name and asking for Yahweh to stop them from bugging me, it helped, but I don't think I am doing it right, as they are still hanging around . Trying to bother me. trying to scare me, but I am not scared. I am annoyed.

Going to try fasting soon, guess just water for how long I can with my medications, since everyone says that it is an important part of our faith.

Premises:

1 - Yahweh is the God of Israel and of the entire Adamic Kind and He is considered their Father because
____ He actually created them.

2 - Yahweh married and divorced Israel and Judah.

3 - Yahweh incarnated in Yahshua and died on the " cross (??? ... or a T ... or a tree ... or what ???)"
____ in order to remarry Israel and Judah together and therefore forgiving her/their sins, besides
____ terminating the sacrifices ordinances ... and some other stuff.

4 - Yahshua = Yahweh saves = Yah saves.

5 - The New Testament does not contain the word/name Yahweh.

6 -

KJV John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
KJV John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
KJV John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
KJV John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
KJV John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
CNT John 12:44-46: 44 Then Yahshua cried out and said: “He believing in Me does not believe in Me but in He who had sent Me, 45 and he seeing Me sees He who has sent Me! 46 I am the Light having come into the Society, that each believing in Me should not abide in darkness!

____ These verses and several others are revealing but still cause dissent among Israelite brethern.

7 - Either ... H3444 = יְשׁוּעָה (yĕshuw`ah)

__ and/or: ... G4991 = σωτηρία (sō-tā-rē'-ä)

... seem to have as many different connotations as the number or churchian churches our Christian Israel Identity's brethern came out from.

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Do you agree with these premises ?????


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by ADLmostwanted » Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:28 pm

It is not that simple....

That's right. And do you know why?

If the bible or the Gospel of John wanted to make the point that Yahweh = Yahshua, why did it simply not say Jesus was God?

Because He was the Son of God.

John 1:1 is the cornerstone of the Trinity doctrine and derivatives thereof, ...

YES, for 99.9% of churchianity ... including our beloved Christian Israel Identity.

which I usually circle around and save for last.

It should be ALWAYS the FIRST.

The reason I do this is that it can quickly becoming a sticking point in the debate and then your are too bogged down to continue.

We should find the proper solvent to dilute the "glue" on the "point". We have been bogged down for the last 2000 years, at least; "to be bogged down" is the name of the game. Welcome to the planet Earth.

It is my belief that the bible should be harmonious. So, if John 1:1 is interpreted to be stating Jesus was Yahweh, it should be in harmony with the rest of the bible... but it is not in harmony with it. Such an interpretation would not even be in harmony with the rest of the Gospel of John. After all the writer tells us his purpose for the gospel...

You should study "music theory and composition". I did, and now I am a composer and I know what is "harmony". Other Christians don't know "harmony"... even those who are the first in line to be resurrected.

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Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
Bertrand Russell

Well, this is good and mostly agreeable. And yes, it is true that the word for the Name of Yahweh is not found in the Greek of the New Testament, but there is a reason for that.

Yahshua told the apostles that since the scribes and Pharisees sit in the seat of Moses, that the apostles should do as they say, but not as they do.

It is well-known from history that those same scribes had absolutely forbidden the use of the name Yahweh. So it is evident that the apostles therefore did not use it, obeying the advice of Yahshua and the dictates of the tyrants.

However the scribes and Pharisees no longer sit in Moses' seat, and they have not since 70 AD!!!

Therefore I will assert that it is my Christian right - even my duty - to restore the Name as I believe that our most ancient fathers would also have used it, and as our Hebrew prophets have encouraged us would happen.

Indeed, we should not be ashamed of His name.

Praise Yahweh (the eternal "I AM")!

Les wrote:I still occasionally see shadows (spirits? ghosts? demons? )walk in front of the lamp, which until recently has freaked me out. It is so noticeable, it must be them having their fun with me.
Now when I was angry just minutes ago and told it to leave in not a very nice way, it must have have been shocked as a cold chill went across my body.
Actually, once I started saying Yahweh's name and asking for Yahweh to stop them from bugging me, it helped, but I don't think I am doing it right, as they are still hanging around . Trying to bother me. trying to scare me, but I am not scared. I am annoyed.

Going to try fasting soon, guess just water for how long I can with my medications, since everyone says that it is an important part of our faith.

Interesting, well you might want to search your home for anything that should not be there.
I know of some people that had a problem like that and my dad asked the couple to search
their home. They found some old pornography they thought they had got rid of long time ago.
Well they got rid of it and whatever was bothering them left. I am not saying you have porn
in your home as I was just using that as an example. Search your house and see if you find
something that does not belong. Search the attic to the basement if you have one. Search out
every building you have. Leave nothing uncovered. Certain demons are drawn by certain objects.
Search around your yard, you never know if someone has put something in your yard. If you
find something that does not belong then burn it or throw it in the trash and have it disposed of.

by Les » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:03 pm

by bamaman » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:32 am

PLEASE, stay put. I will return to you with the scientific explanation for your "ghostly" experience ASAP.I have to answer several other Christian Identity brothers first. Be patient.

Please click -
http://christogenos.org/site/node/680
Appendix A: Greek Terms for God and Christ

2/3 rd's of the page down,
read "YAHSHUA TO JESUS: EVOLUTION OF A NAME"

and/or order The Christogenea New Testament
if it is easier to read in black and white print in a book instead.
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It is not yeshua, that is a derisive jew term, like nazi is for National Socialists,
is is
Yahshua

First of all, jesusoverisrael, read my post at the top of this page. Second, this Bible Gateway site you link to is very suspect. You are under the false impression that it is the be all end all of biblical translation. It was founded by a multimillionare director of a company out of San Fagsisco called NBCi named Nick Hengeveld, who I suspect to be a Dutch crypto-jew. You have come to the wrong place to force improper and flat out erroneous translations, especially based off of one "bible study" site. Do your homework, then come back and we'll chat.

It is jewish sources and their followers exclusively who would insist that the Hebrew name for which we write Yahshua should instead be Yeshua. I have discussed this name at length in a paper on my site, Yahshua To Jesus: Evolution Of A Name. I would advise, JesusoverIsrael, that you go and read it.

In addition, I would advise you to check out Strong's number 3091 and the actual Hebrew spelling to the Old Testament name rendered Joshua in English. Joshua is clearly the equivalent of the Greek name rendered Jesus by the KJV translators. The Hebrew spelling shows that the name cannot have been Yeshua.

The jews have been trying to take the "Yah" out of the name Yahshua for a long time. Stop being their whore. You are following jewish sources and jewish ideas and you will not get any sympathy from an audience here.

Furthermore, of the letters you highlighted in your post above, ע is the letter ayin, which is a rough sound barely able to be pronounced in English. Because you obviously attempt to equate it with the letter "Y", that alone exposes you as a language clown, someone who knows nothing while trying to sound like an expert.

jesusoverisrael wrote:
Paul said one of the irrevocable gifts of the Jews was possessing the Oracles of God. Consider showing some respect to what you have obtained via adoption.

jesusoverisrael, is a Jew from a reformed jewish family. We really should not have
anything to do with this clown. By the way the Jew has never had the Oracles of God.
All the Jew has ever done is still our identity and pretend to be us. The Jew is the
devil in human form.

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