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Was Jesus God? Rev 1:8 - "the Alpha and the Omega"

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Re: Was Jesus God? Rev 1:8 - "the Alpha and the Omega"

Postby wmfinck » Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:43 am

That's nice. But you still didn't address my definition of the word beginning, as it was used in Greek.
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Re: Was Jesus God? Rev 1:8 - "the Alpha and the Omega"

Postby ADLmostwanted » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:36 pm

I read your definition of beginning. Doesn't change anything.

The symbolic references of the Greek letters the "Alpha and Omega" do not mean Jesus was God. It is obviously symbolism and has alternative interpretations. The Alpha or beginning could mean something other than the beginning of time or of the creation of the universe. Lets just see how this thread compares with the rest of the bible and anyone who reads this thread can decide for themselves what they think the truth is
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Re: Was Jesus God? Rev 1:8 - "the Alpha and the Omega"

Postby Les » Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:56 pm

ADLmostwanted wrote:I appeal to reason and scripture. Most of the threads I have created have a bible verse in the subject. So, don't say I dont refer to scripture. Furthermore, appeals to logic and reason are not signs that I am jewish in mind. Appeals to accept faggotry and midget, hermaphradite pornography would be signs I am of jewish mind.

I am a white nationalist who doesn't believe Jesus was God.


ok,so you use a SINGLE scripture quote to start an argument thread,and now admit to being anti-Christ.

Just making sure what you are, and what you are doing.
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Re: Was Jesus God? Rev 1:8 - "the Alpha and the Omega"

Postby wmfinck » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:08 pm

Oh no? Well, if Yahshua says that:

Revelation 1:8 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:11 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 21:6 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 22:13 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


And He also says (remembering that a "beginning" in Greek is a source or origin):

Revelation 3:14 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;


And Yahweh had previously said in Isaiah:

Isaiah 41:4 4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isaiah 44:6 6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12 12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.


Then the two must be ONE AND THE SAME, or one of them is a liar. I think that Yahshua is Yahweh, and all who doubt that are liars.
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Re: Was Jesus God? Rev 1:8 - "the Alpha and the Omega"

Postby mouthypatricia » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:19 am

Play nice! That's really unfair to accuse someone of being a jew because they disagree with your theology, Bill. I'm all for using a sledgehammer when it's appropriate. But ADLmostwanted has from the posts that I've followed, kept a humble tone. I know other 2SLCI people that agree that Yahshua is the Son and not the Father. I fail to see how this makes them all reprobates. Is this really one of the watershed arguments for breaking or keeping fellowship with someone?
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Re: Was Jesus God? Rev 1:8 - "the Alpha and the Omega"

Postby wmfinck » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:49 am

Basically, my thinking is that anyone who attempts to refute the words of Christ aligns himself with the jews, and may as well be a jew. Now ADLMostWanted claimed that where Christ called himself "the beginning and the end", that we could not know what He meant by that. He even cited the jew-loving Bullinger to support his claim. Yet, as I have cited, Christ defined His statement for us. Refusing that definition, one attempts to refute Christ. Therefore, one earns the label of those who do the same!
Now if that is all you can scold me for this week, I must be doing pretty good.
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Re: Was Jesus God? Rev 1:8 - "the Alpha and the Omega"

Postby JamesTheJust » Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:59 am

In my mind, there was never a doubt that Yahshua IS/WAS YHWH made flesh.

Matthew 1:23 (NIV)
"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" —which means, "God with us."

Matthew 1:23 (WFT)
“Behold, a virgin shall conceive in the womb and she shall bear a son, and they shall call Him ‘Emmanouel’!” which is interpreted “God is with us”.
Ye chosen seed of Israel's race, ye ransomed from the fall, hail him who saves you by his grace, and crown him Lord of all. Hail him who saves you by his grace, and crown him Lord of all.
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