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A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY PASTOR AND HIS COLORFUL FRIENDS

This forum is a place where I can vent about all of the idiots who claim to be Christian Israel Identity, and then go off making up crazy hare-brained doctrines, while at the same time they lambast or excoriate others who don't sign on to their idiotic ideas. If you have ever sent me an email promoting some such idiotic idea and have scoffed at or shunned scholarly examination and discourse on the matter, you may well end up here too!

Re: A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY PASTOR AND HIS COLORFUL FRIENDS

Postby wmfinck » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:12 pm

Nordicists have been here before, and have not had a good time. I don't think Vandal is a Nordicist. I did not pay much mind to his critique of whether Dan Johns is an Aryan, however he must be aware that it should be consistent with his standards for gauging certain Greeks in another thread.

The Greeks pictured above are certainly not White, and I also remarked about seeing a lot of non-Whites in the aforementioned thread on the modern Greeks.

However there are plenty of Whites with brown hair, black hair, brown, gray or green eyes, etc. I do not think anyone here would contest that, even Vandal.

My own position on blonds and brunettes, eye hair and skin color in Europe, is here in this podcast, which I did well over two years ago:

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Re: A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY PASTOR AND HIS COLORFUL FRIENDS

Postby Vandal » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:42 pm

It is very easy to assume that the woman smooching with dan might be other than white by her very dark complexion. I've gotten a couple of comments to that effect. It seems a lot of focus has been placed on trying to figure out her ethnicity. Upon thinking about the situation, I don't care whether or not she is Aryan. Regardless of his lady's race, a man claiming to be a Christian pastor and white separatist has listed on his facebook profile pictures of himself:

1. At a Halloween party;
2. Mingling with clearly mixed and non-white people;
3. Yukking it up like a modern Baccus.

This is not acceptable decorum for someone claiming the title of shepherd, and I don't care what any of you who are softies think about that. If Dan were in my congregation, I would demand his removal from office immediately and without ceremony. If that did not happen, I would leave the congregation, and have nothing to do with anyone attached to it. There is no middle ground when dealing with people who put themselves in positions of counsel and leadership. If you think otherwise, please explain why.

One person sent me a remark that if the woman he is kissing were proven to be a mamzer, THEN he would publicly denounce Pastor Dan. But the race of the woman he is kissing is not the primary issue. She's a cute little lady and I'm sure Dan is very happy to have her. It looks like she loves him very much. But she is not the issue. We should not get sidetracked on debating over her. The issue is:

1. Where is the Pastor;
2. What is he doing;
3. Is this an acceptable activity for someone calling himself a Christian Pastor?

His congregation should call him on the carpet and ask, where were you, and what were you doing? They do not need to rail about his lady having dark skin. They should not be confronting or attacking his lady. They should be confronting him. They need to confront the issue of character in his position and get to the bottom of that.

I doubt that will happen. Most people don't want a conflict and will find excuses to sandbag the issue. But it is very likely people will try to cast doubt on my discernment by raising non-sequitur issues that have nothing do with Pastor Dan Johns playing a Baccus for Halloween.

There are many more photos on Dan's Facebook profile that illustrate the situation more clearly. If we continue to discuss the racial characteristics of Greeks in question, let us do so on the thread in question.
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Re: A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY PASTOR AND HIS COLORFUL FRIENDS

Postby Kentucky » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:44 pm

Gideon300 wrote:That being said, while I have the time this morning I need to clear some things up not just with you personally but with all at this site and some elsewhere too who are CI. Since you raised the issue of Aryan appearance, I need clarification on this before I invest another day here.

If I could explain, as best I can Lord willing, the nature of racial consciousness. Perhaps one of the most pernicious impediments to advance our cause is the imperfect generations constituting mongrelization. This is especially frustrating to our movement when there are so many borderline cases of racial identification and the length of time it has permeated our society. Add to this conundrum a state of almost total apathy and/or revulsion of our own kindred who are undoubtedly as pure as the driven snow and yet have developed this ungodly fad of "color blindness."

It's not that we can scientifically identify someone appearing to be White, but an even more insidious trait that betrays one's blood... and that is their spirit. The situation is almost impossible and yet we are told to "discern the spirit, to see if they are of God." In the process of trying to know who it is that is in our midst, I have run across some people who take the game way too seriously. Likewise, we shouldn't take extreme evaluations of minor opinions as typical of an entire movement (and I don't mean Vandal or anyone else here) and we should keep in mind that it may be an outside agitator that is trying to disillusion those who are just coming aboard and have only been around for a couple of years.

Because of the righteousness of the Christian Identity Truth, we will be assailed from all directions. That is the nature of spiritual warfare. I have a couple of books in my library that deal with the identification of jewish types; it's serious anthropology before it was sanitized in the 1930's by jews. Conversely, there are books dealing with the various types of White people. A student of race should be familiar with what actually is a fascinating study. Most CIers that I know, who have been around a long time, do not play the game of racial identification with malice or unjustified pathologies. It is a game which should be nurtured at a very early age as a natural inclination to counter 'color blindness.' The more you do it, the better you get at it. And some day it may save your life or the life of your loved ones. I pray that you do invest time here, because this is the only Christian Identity forum that I know of that has any sense of community and Christian love.

I see and relate to your wish that more Whites would come to CI and establish a presence or what have you by being part of a CI congregation and committing to it over time (paraphrasing). I'm for that, but the persistent talk from individuals who claim what are to me almost at times magical powers of discernment as to who's "pure" and who's not are extremely off putting and although it's mostly lack of decent transportation and money that have kept me from traveling hundreds of miles to be part of a CI service, the idea of showing up at a CI congregation and someone approaching me with calipers and a protractor to measure my head and calculate the angle of my forehead for instance, while an exaggeration to make a point, nevertheless represents to a degree how uncomfortable things such as you posted about this person's appearance (again if it's only based on these images) make me and as such, make me leery of meeting with anyone who's CI at this juncture.

Well, if it's anything I've said that's put you off, I apologize. I guess that's the nature of the beast when our only means of communication is the internet. We have been looking forward to meeting you for over a year; we have been praying corporately for your infirmity since you told us about it; I feel like you're a long lost brother and that we will hit it off famously once we finally do meet. That's how it was when we met Bill for the first time last year; it was an immediate friendship. Besides, the hidden cameras in our church will automatically calibrate your facial features and detect the chemical composition of your physical makeup through very sophisticated computer software. So, don't worry, you're good to go and we'll see you this Spring hopefully.

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Re: A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY PASTOR AND HIS COLORFUL FRIENDS

Postby Kentucky » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:07 pm

Vandal wrote:If Dan were in my congregation, I would demand his removal from office immediately and without ceremony. If that did not happen, I would leave the congregation, and have nothing to do with anyone attached to it. There is no middle ground when dealing with people who put themselves in positions of counsel and leadership. If you think otherwise, please explain why.

I could be wrong, but I don't think he has a church or a congregation. He is simply a radio personality that arbitrarily put "pastor" before his name.

One person sent me a remark that if the woman he is kissing were proven to be a mamzer, THEN he would publicly denounce Pastor Dan. But the race of the woman he is kissing is not the primary issue. She's a cute little lady and I'm sure Dan is very happy to have her. It looks like she loves him very much. But she is not the issue. We should not get sidetracked on debating over her. The issue is:

1. Where is the Pastor;
2. What is he doing;
3. Is this an acceptable activity for someone calling himself a Christian Pastor?

1. He is not at home or in a church. It looks like a bar.
2. He appears to be in an environment that does not prohibit interracial socialization, drinking alcohol (and consequently drunkeness), revelry, the mimicking of a Roman centurian or the observation of an occult holiday.
3. No

There are many more photos on Dan's Facebook profile that illustrate the situation more clearly.

Could you provide that link/witness please? There's always some yahoo who will say it was photoshopped.

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Re: A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY PASTOR AND HIS COLORFUL FRIENDS

Postby wmfinck » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:23 pm

I will do this quickly, because I can, because Kentucky asked, and because Dan had no probelm publicizing it, so I will help. He needs to be ostracized for his un-Christian lifestyle while pretending to be a shepherd:


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Re: A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY PASTOR AND HIS COLORFUL FRIENDS

Postby Fenwick » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:25 pm

Vandal wrote:The ultimate quality control is autonomous congregations composed only of those in your local area, known to you for years, having lived there, having worked there, having proven who they are. Then each such congregation appoints a captain, and there begins the real networking of a nascent government.

Paul said only a married man with children should be appointed to lead. Why? One, he's proven he can be a shepherd. Two. He can't be a shill. The congregation knows where his wife and kids are. And he knows they know. You can't work a "law enforcement" frame job or infiltration in that context.

Your quality control is close proximity and kinship.

Well that's a good point. But I was thinking more in terms of when a pastor moves to a new state, or when they're first starting out, they might not have people immediately around them who can vouch for a long history of good actions, even though they might be perfectly decent preachers.

If we had a culture where congregations demanded their pastors to have had good relations and fellowship with more established pastors, then it would be harder for charlatans to lead.

Though from what I've seen there is a great deal of communication and visiting between different churches. I just wish we had a way to make those same standards apply to the internet charlatans. If Eli or Johns has been people's first contact with identity, they'd be getting a distorted view and it would be hard to reach them unless other pastors were able to send out warnings.

But I guess even the confused followers might not listen to reason.
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Re: A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY PASTOR AND HIS COLORFUL FRIENDS

Postby Vandal » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:59 pm

I'll admit I've never heard of this person before but definitely agree that these photos and that he apparently is not ashamed to share them with the world is bizarre to say the least and even more so for someone claiming to be a CI pastor.


So I take it you are new to this forum? I don't recall seeing any earlier posts from you. If so, welcome.

That being said, while I have the time this morning I need to clear some things up not just with you personally but with all at this site and some elsewhere too who are CI. Since you raised the issue of Aryan appearance, I need clarification on this before I invest another day here. I saw where in another thread, where the subject was Golden Dawn, you posted about once spotting a jew without even seeing his face and also posted those images of cross sections of teeth. Here you refer to the person in the picture's "lateral ridged teeth" and his stature. These are the only pictures I have ever seen of this person and don't know if you've seen more pictures of him and/or seen him in person too perhaps before -? Myself, only having these several images of him to judge by, honestly don't see anything that screams "non-Aryan." But then I'm not able to spot a jew just by seeing the back of his head, nor do I know what "lateral ridged teeth" are. By stature, if that means height specifically, how tall does a man have to be considered Aryan in your estimation? So there are those questions which I'd appreciate you addressing at your convenience.


I believe it was Mark earlier who talked about discerning the spirit within men. I have to agree with him. Sometimes it is very clear what a creature's race or lack of race is by something visceral, clues that add up and as a total sum as warning signs to steer clear. Just last week I ended up spotting another Jew at work who struck up a conversation with me. My gut told me in advance I was dealing with an enemy, and then out of his own mouth he proclaimed himself a Jew and told me about his family history. He would have passed for white in most circles, and of course, if I had proclaimed him the Jew, some might have thought I was nuts. It also turned out this jew was a bit on the queer side, something else I also discerned. The pattern and shape of a certain white man's teeth almost match that of a homosexual Jew I once worked with at a hotel before I was aware of the two seedline doctrine. Certain patterns and clues, taken all together, can warn one that he is not dealing with an Aryan. One example is an actress like Natalie Portman. She's Jewish, and many would not notice, but the keen eye notices the parts of her structure that are quite Jewish. Another example is Gabby Giffords, the former Congresswoman. I knew another Jewish woman who easily sunburned, had red hair, but if you I were keen on noticing her tell-tale Jewish features, you could tell she was not Aryan. Her behavior proved it more than her looks. I'd rather not go into that.

There is a spirit in these people. When you become aware of that spirit, sometimes you spot it viscerally before you realize what you are looking at. Mark put it eloquently, and more succinctly than I have skill for.

Please do not let this chase you off. We are not nordicists. I coined the term, NORDINARCISSIST just for addressing those who believe only blonde-haired and blue-eyed double recessives are Aryans. It's been debunked elsewhere on this forum by myself and a half-dozen other people.

I may have overstated in anger my opinion of Dan as being a nigger, yet every fiber of my being screams he is not one of my people. His appearance is somewhat impish overall, and I'm sure I could probably be criticized for saying that, but that's my perception. Perhaps I am wrong to go spouting off like that, but I do know that he is an enemy of truth, and he does with abandon slander those who oppose universalism, and that might fuel my perception of his appearance. I won't name names because I don't want to drag others into the argument who are not part of what I am presenting about Dan.

Keep in mind I'm not in any way defending this person, who I don't know from Adam as the old saying goes. It's just that I admit several of your posts I've seen here make me really wary, and all the talk around some CI circles of cheekbones and hair and eye color and pronouncing individuals as swarthy that to me don't fit that definition at all also leave me feeling exasperated and that I somehow missed that CI equals Nordicism (though that terminology may not be best, but nevertheless comes to mind in light of some of your posts). I'm not as well versed in the Bible as are many here I admit, though I read it nearly every day and have for years before becoming an Identity Christian.


Because of so much mongrelization, it is often difficult to discern who is what. That's when I get the calipers and Third Reich eye socket charts out for a final opinion. (I'm just kidding!)

So if I missed where people's eye color is mentioned in the Bible and/or that Yahweh revealed His hair, eye, height and tooth structure preferences, I apologize and if anyone can point me to those verses, I'd appreciate that. I am not at the same time, dismissing physical appearance altogether mind you and anyone else who's reading this. Of course there are distinctions and I'm adamant about who is White and who is not; only I'm not knowledgeable about all the anatomical references I see others referencing, but have always gone chiefly (not solely though) by a person's skin color, particularly on their fingers, eyelids and lips. As for myself, although at this point those who haven't seen me can only take my word for it, as I'm not about to post my photos online to the world and a gaggle of people I only know from screen names, I'll say I'm over six feet tall and while I don't have blue eyes and blonde hair, I'll only relate at this point that neither do I have brown eyes nor black hair (yet I'm not saying brown eyes and/or black hair means not White, if the person with those is otherwise White in appearance and ancestry).


Again with the tooth structure, Aryans don't have shovel and ridged teeth. It's not a matter of my preference, I just studied up on it as best as I could. This is anecdotal, yet your dentist can verify it: "Europeans have nice and simple teeth – straight in form and flat; no shovels or ridges. Their teeth are smooth on the front and the back. Molars belonging to the European community have two roots per first molar instead of three. Europeans have some of the smallest teeth in the world." [ http://sarahredhead.hubpages.com/hub/TE ... r-Ancestry ]

Regarding tooth structure, anthropology has shown that Aryans have neither shovel teeth nor laterally ridged teeth. Such teeth are not a product of Aryan DNA. Aryan teeth taper. Many non-white teeth are either larger, thicker, or straighter and ridged, or have a shovel scoop in the back. Sometimes the ridge or shovel structure is prominent insomuch it affects the shape on the front and bottom of the tooth, and the outer ridge or skirt of the tooth, even though you don't actually see the ridge or scoop from the front. Some Aryans have straight teeth, but they taper from front to back. I look for clues like this when dealing with people who look white but act quite otherwise. This is not so I can assure myself I am "superior" but so I can be on guard against deception and danger and race-mixing.

As for going only by skin color, that can be deceiving. It has been established that many ancient Mediterraneans / Greeks through inbreeding developed and olive undertone instead of pink, while sporting very dark hair. Coupled with the intense Mediterranean sun, they could be complexioned almost like squat monsters but would still have Aryan features and physique. Quite a few atavists would still be born with blonde, gold, auburn, or red hair, and some of those would find their hair turning dark as they aged.

This is how I can spot someone with white skin and see clues of non-white ancestry. This is how I can look at a dark Greek like that big moustached guy and say I know Germans and Scots who look like him, sans about three shades of tan. A visit to New Jersey would clarify this for anyone who had the inclination and time. Also, a visit to the area of Chester, Penna. over to York, would be eye opening. There is lots of Jewish / white mongrelization in that area.

While I'm here and since I had this and other images saved, here are examples of people who at a glance I say are not White. Two are prominent leaders of the Golden Dawn movement in Greece and if I saw them on the street I'd presume they were maybe Egyptians or some other type of Arabs - even though I've found that makes GD supporters absolutely livid. Though I don't want to speculate on every person in the image, also note the skin tone around the knuckles and cuticles of the man extending his hand in the second photo and you'll see what it is I refer to regarding how that part of a person is telling -



Don't want to go off on a GD tangent here, only to say that I have read their platform and nowhere is a mention of being White as a standard of their nationalist movement. So to me, while I'm not against their notions of purging their land of immigrants who are not related to its founders, it has next to nothing to do with me as a White European and I'm also perturbed at them and others comparing the movement to Germany's Third Reich, which was explicitly for White Europeans. I also am aware of White Greeks and that while maybe a minority now, that they still exist in large numbers in Greece and that Whites also exist in other southern European nations that also contain large numbers of non-Whites where once it wasn't the case.


I have read several postings by Golden dawn that emphatically declare the need to keep pure Greek blood free from mongrelization and miscegenation. I don't have time to look them up right now, but perhaps I can dig them up later and repost. I'd like to confine that subject to the Golden Dawn forum, if we could.

I see and relate to your wish that more Whites would come to CI and establish a presence or what have you by being part of a CI congregation and committing to it over time (paraphrasing). I'm for that, but the persistent talk from individuals who claim what are to me almost at times magical powers of discernment as to who's "pure" and who's not are extremely off putting and although it's mostly lack of decent transportation and money that have kept me from traveling hundreds of miles to be part of a CI service, the idea of showing up at a CI congregation and someone approaching me with calipers and a protractor to measure my head and calculate the angle of my forehead for instance, while an exaggeration to make a point, nevertheless represents to a degree how uncomfortable things such as you posted about this person's appearance (again if it's only based on these images) make me and as such, make me leery of meeting with anyone who's CI at this juncture.


If Pastor Dan does not drop the title of "Pastor" and repent of his Baccus lifestyle, he is to be considered as a heathen. I have written to him and i will wait for his response. I can understand your concerns about there being a potential cult of fanitical purity watchdogs who consider every pimple a sign from the devil, but we assuredly are not that way. That's why some of us, probably me most of all, even give those swarthy Greeks the benefit of the doubt because they are walking the walk, talking the talk, and actually doing what Christians should be doing EVERYWHERE. And if one of us walked up to one of those guys and told him he's not Aryan, I can virtually guarantee the taste of boot leather. Race is that important to them.

As an aside, I again believe in flesh of flesh and bone of bone, which means your children should be married to people of local and close origin. Let Greeks marry Greeks, Pennsylvanians marry Pennsylvanians, Utah Mormons marry Mormons, etc.

I feel like I have a lot to offer by the grace of Yahweh who bestowed me with certain talents even as I endeavor to avoid false pride and admit my faults as a man, but which I believe I am forgiven for as are all Israelite people who pray for that with humility. I don't know what your role is here at this site or within Christogenea but am aware of the Verbal Vandal site and that a variation of that is the name you're using here. Still I would like to know if your criteria of who is Aryan is that of Christogenea as well before investing any more time here. My ancestors have been in the US since before the American Revolution and all genealogy shows my family tree to be almost exclusively American and British Isles, with one distant relative who's Dutch being the only exception. Breech of forum protocol not intended, but as a matter of fact, anyone who would tell me to my face I'm not White or anyone in my family either, had better know those are literally fighting words to me.


I am not the arbiter of who is Aryan. Yahweh is the judge of that. I can only call it like I see it, and discern based on what is revealed to me and what grace is granted to me each day. If I get it wrong, Yahweh will judge me, and I pray, correct me for my wrong judgment. If I spoke out of anger and frustration and resorted to name-calling in error, I will stand corrected whether I like it or not.

This is why I was so harsh in my criticism of Pastor Dan. I was livid that those pictures demonstrated yet another leader and voice was just an illusion. This makes the sincere teachers' jobs more burdened with the baggage of charlatans claiming the same camp. His associations and the context of it is just not befitting a Pastor. Even celebrating Halloween, sans everything else, is just unconscionable for a pastor. I have asked him to disabuse me of my notions, and I will wait to hear from him.

We are called to discern and to try the spirits. If we have trouble discerning, we should be watchful because sometimes it takes a while for fruit to mature.
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Re: A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY PASTOR AND HIS COLORFUL FRIENDS

Postby Vandal » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:15 pm

wmfinck wrote:I will do this quickly, because I can, because Kentucky asked, and because Dan had no probelm publicizing it, so I will help. He needs to be ostracized for his un-Christian lifestyle while pretending to be a shepherd:


And this was the original point of posting the thread, accountability of the shepherds, before I went off on a tirade and muddied my own water by bringing anything other than Pastor Dan's actions into the discussion. From here on out I only want to focus on the issue of expected and scriptural behavior of a shepherd. William and others with much experience have constantly reiterated, "by their fruits ye shall know them" and so I kindly ask all your forgiveness for deviating from the larger issue with my racial rant and accusation, so we stay focused on what can absolutely be proven beyond perceptions and opinions.
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Re: A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY PASTOR AND HIS COLORFUL FRIENDS

Postby Kentucky » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:44 pm

Vandal wrote: I have asked him to disabuse me of my notions, and I will wait to hear from him.

That is keeping in accord with the due process of Matthew 18, which we all deserve under such circumstances.

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Re: A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY PASTOR AND HIS COLORFUL FRIENDS

Postby Gallowglass » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:18 am

He made a program about it. Didn't listen to it to all yet.

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