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Genocide by Pathological Telepathy (a kind of Telepathology?

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Genocide by Pathological Telepathy (a kind of Telepathology?

Postby wmfinck » Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:52 am

An Exchange Between Prof. George Saltzman and Prof. Robert Faurisson

Oaxaca, Mexico, Thursday 17 September 2009
Dear Thomas Dalton and Michael Santomauro,

Today Michael, you notified me that you added me to your Reporters Notebook mailing list, and sent me three other e-mails as well. I hope this is not the beginning of a flood of e-mails. One of them announced Thomas Dalton's book, and I found at

http://www.debatingtheholocaust.com/ the following:
Preeminent Holocaust expert Raul Hilberg said: "What began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. [These measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus -- mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy."

Please let me have a specific (Title and page number) reference for this quote. I have, and have read cover to cover, The Destruction of the European Jews (Student Edition), by Raul Hilberg, published in 1985 in the U.S. by Holmes & Meier. Thank you.

Sincerely,
George Salzman

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Sept. 18, 2009

Dear Michael,

The source of that statement of Raul Hilberg is to be found in: George DeWan, “The Holocaust In Perspective”, Newsday (Long Island, NY), 23 February 1983, p. II/3.

On 16 January 1985, R. Hilberg confirmed those words during his cross-examination at the first Zündel trial in Toronto, Ontario (Canada); see transcript, p. 846-848.

He repeated his strange if not metaphysical theory (but with other words) in The Destruction of the European Jews, [second] revised and definitive [sic!] edition, New York, London, Holmes & Meier, 1985, in his chapter on “The Structure of Destruction”, especially on p. 53, 55 and 62.

On p. 53 he said there was “no basic plan”.

On top of p. 55 he wrote there had been: “Written directives not published” / “Broad authorizations to subordinates not published” / “Oral directives and authorizations” / “Basic understandings of officials resulting in decisions not requiring orders or explanations” (emphasis mine).

On the same page he explained: “In the final analysis, the destruction of the Jews was not so much a product of laws and commands as it was a matter of spirit, of shared comprehension, of consonance and synchronization.”

On the same page, he also specified: “no one agency was charged with the whole operation [of destruction]” and “no single organization directed or coordinated the entire process.”

On p. 62 he concluded: “The destruction of the Jews was thus the work of a far-flung administrative machine. This apparatus took each step in turn. The initiation as well as the implementation of decisions was largely in its hand. No special agency was created and no special budget was devised to destroy the Jews of Europe. Each organization was to play a specific role in the process, and each was to find the means to carry out its task.”

Please, acknowledge receipt of this message.

My next trial (because of what happened at the “Zenith Palace” with Dieudonné on December 26, 2008) will take place in Paris on September 22 at 13:30. The result will be known about one month later.

Best wishes.
R. Faurisson, September 18, 2009


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Hello Prof. Salzman:
<From Michael Santomauro on Sept. 17, 2009>
Genocide By Telepathy, Hilberg Explains

http://www.vho.org/aaargh/engl/FaurisArch/RF9901xx2.html
Robert Faurisson

Raul Hilberg, the most prestigious of the authors who defend the thesis of the physical extermination of Jews by the Germans during the Second World War, began his investigation of this subject in 1948.

In 1961, after more than a dozen years' labor, he published The Destruction of the European Jews (Chicago: Quadrangle Books). In this work, he presents "the destruction of the European Jews" as a vast undertaking personally supervised by Hitler who, he says, gave two orders to this effect. Then, he continues, various German administrative agencies, especially in the police and the military, acted in conformity with these orders, duly coordinating their efforts to prepare, organize, control and carry out this vast criminal enterprise.

In 1976 appeared The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, a work by the most prestigious of revisionist authors, Arthur R. Butz, who teaches at Northwestern University near Chicago. He shows that the alleged extermination of the Jews constitutes "the hoax of the twentieth century."

In 1978-1979, I published two articles in the prominent Paris daily Le Monde demonstrating that the alleged Nazi gas chambers could not have existed, and this essentially for physical and chemical reasons.Note 1 These articles caused something of a stir. Two well-known French intellectuals, Raymond Aron and François Furet, announced that an international colloquium of experts would be held to establish before the world that the extermination of Jews and the Nazi gas chambers really existed. Among the experts who figured in this was Raul Hilberg.

Just before the start of the colloquium, a lengthy interview with Hilberg appeared in the influential French magazine Le Nouvel Observateur, in which the German-born Jewish historian expressed some astounding ideas.Note 2 Regarding the destruction of the European Jews and the Nazi gas chambers, he basically said that no documents exist that really prove these things, but rather only some testimonies that "accord somewhat."

While Hilberg of course holds to his basic extermination thesis, this explanation is radically different from the one he had previously given. It is obvious that revisionism is responsible for this change. Hilberg more or less conceded this, even if only indirectly. Specifically, he declared:Note 3

I will say that, in a certain way, Faurisson and others, without wanting to, did us a favor. They raised questions which had the effect of engaging historians in new research. They have obliged us to once again collect information, to re-examine documents and to go further into the comprehension of what has taken place.


The international colloquium took place as scheduled at the Sorbonne from June 29 to July 2, 1982, but behind closed doors. Then, an account of its discussions and conclusions was given at a press conference. But, to the surprise of everyone present, only Raymond Aron and François Furet appeared at the press conference, declaring, on the one hand, that "despite the most scholarly research," no one had been able to find any order by Hitler for the extermination of the Jews, and, on the other, that pursuing the revisionists in court was like conducting a witch-hunt. Not one word was said about gas chambers.

Seven months later Hilberg summarized his new thesis before an audience of nearly 2,700 at Avery Fischer Hall in New York City: the entire German policy for the physical destruction of the Jews was to be explained by mind reading! No document attesting to this criminal policy could be found, because no such document existed. For several years, the entire German bureaucratic machinery operated through a kind of telepathy. As Hilberg put it:Note 4

But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget for destructive measures. They [these measures] were taken step by step, one step at a time. Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus -- mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy.


Let us note again those final words: "an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus -- mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy."Note 5

Two years later, Hilberg confirmed those words and this explanation during the first "Holocaust trial" of Ernst Zündel in Toronto. He did this under oath during his cross-examination by Zündel's lawyer, Douglas Christie, whom I was assisting.Note 6

That same year (1985) the "revised and definitive" edition of his book appeared. In it, the University of Vermont professor did not use the expression "consensus" or "mind reading." And yet he wrote:Note 7

In the final analysis, the destruction of the Jews was not so much a product of laws and commands as it was a matter of spirit, of shared comprehension, of consonance and synchronization.


He also wrote of "countless decision makers in a far-flung bureaucratic machine" without "a basic plan." He mentioned "written directives not published," "oral directives and authorizations," and "basic understandings of officials resulting in decisions not requiring orders or explanations." There had been "no one agency," he wrote, and "no single organization directed or coordinated the entire process." The destruction of the Jews, he concluded, was "the work of a far-flung administrative machine," and "no special agency was created and no special budget was devised to destroy the Jews of Europe. Each organization was to play a specific role in the process, and each was to find the means to carry out its task."Note 8

For me, this is like explaining what would have been a huge criminal undertaking of industrial proportions based, in particular, on a weapon (a chemical slaughterhouse using an insecticide), operating through the intervention of the Holy Ghost, all of which had been conceived and created through a kind of spontaneous generation.

I refuse to believe that which is not believable. I refuse to believe in the incredible. I refuse to believe in what Hilberg himself calls "an incredible meeting of minds." I refuse to believe in mind reading or telepathy, just as I refuse to believe in the intervention of the Holy Ghost or in spontaneous generation. I take exception to any historical thesis, any system of historical explanation, based on such hare-brained notions.

On November 23, 1978, the French historian René Rémond declared to me: "As for the [Nazi] gas chambers, I am ready to follow you; as for the genocide, I have the deep conviction that Nazism in itself was sufficiently perverse so that this genocide was part of its motivations and its actions, but I recognize that I have no scientific evidence for this genocide."

This is indeed the least one might say when one is concerned about historical truth.

Notes
(1)"'Le problème des chambres à gaz' ou 'la rumeur d'Auschwitz'," Le Monde, Dec. 29, 1978, and, "Une lettre de M. Faurisson," Le Monde, Jan. 16, 1979, Reprinted in: R. Faurisson, Memoire en Defense (Paris: La Vieille Taupe, 1980), pp. 71-75, 83-88, and in: R. Faurisson, Écrits Révisionnistes (1974-1998), published in four volumes in 1999, vol. 1, pp. 122-124, 131-134.
(2) "Les Archives de l'horreur," Le Nouvel Observateur, July 3-9, 1982, pp. 70-73, 75-76. The interview was conducted Guy Sitbon, regular correspondent in the United States for Le Nouvel Observateur.
(3) Le Nouvel Observateur, July 3-9, 1982, p. 71. Also quoted in the Summer 1985 Journal, p. 170.
(4) Quoted in: George De Wan, "The Holocaust in Perspective," Newsday (Long Island, New York), Feb. 23, 1983, p. II/3. Also quoted in the Summer 1985 Journal, pp. 170-171.
(5) According to The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, "mind reading" is defined as "The faculty of discerning another's thoughts through extrasensory means of communication; telepathy."
(6)Hilberg testimony on Jan. 16, 1985 (Toronto). Trial transcript, pp. 846-848.
(7) Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews (New York: Holmes and Meier, 1985, 3 vols.), p. 55.
(8) R. Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews (1985), pp. 53-55, 62.

This essay is an adaptation of a piece originally written on 1st September 1988, "Raul Hilberg explique maintenant le génocide par la télépathie!", in Ecrits révisionnistes, vol. II, p. 783-786..
The Journal for Historical Review (http://www.ihr.org), Volume 18 number 1, January/February 1999, p. 15. First displayed on aaargh: 17 April 2001.
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Re: Quote from Raul Hilberg

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009

Dear Michael Santomauro,

I also read the Introduction to Thomas Dalton's Debating the Holocaust, and a bit of the first chapter. My initial reaction is that I think Raul Hilberg was more committed to gaining a true understanding of the events that included the Holocaust than is Robert Faurisson. The above material by Faurisson strikes me as being a snide attack against Hilberg, one that he doesn't deserve. Note the 'smart ass' supposedly clever title, "Genocide By Telepathy, Hilberg Explains". Honest people can make mistaken judgments that they later revise as more information becomes available. Obviously there's no question but that a vast machinery of lies was, and still is, being driven by Zionists (both 'Jewish' and 'Christian') seeking to influence history for their own ends, but I don't for a moment believe that Hilberg was part of that despicable group. Why is Faurisson so intent on seizing changes in Hilberg's opinions as supposed evidence that he's not to be trusted? To me it appears that it's Faurisson who has an unsavory agenda, not Hilberg. Is Faurisson trying to suggest that there never was a Nazi Judeocide? I recall reading in Hannah Arendt's The Origins of Totalitarianism her lengthy discussion of 'The Dreyfus Affair' (it's the final chapter of Part One: Antisemitism of her three-part volume). There was pervasive anti-Semitism -- not complicated -- just simple hatred of Jews as Jews. And not only in France but in Germany and much of Europe.

So when Faurisson writes, "I refuse to believe that which is not believable. I refuse to believe in the incredible. I refuse to believe in what Hilberg himself calls 'an incredible meeting of minds.' I refuse to believe in mind reading or telepathy, just as I refuse to believe in the intervention of the Holy Ghost or in spontaneous generation. I take exception to any historical thesis, any system of historical explanation, based on such hare-brained notions" he is simply ignoring the entire historical setting, of which Hilberg was painfully aware. My belief is that Hilberg did not 'have an axe to grind' in doing his work, and that Faurisson is committed to establishing something that to me is patently absurd. Does he think there was no mass killing of European Jews?

In writing this, Michael, I want to stress that I am poorly acquainted with history. Until a few years ago I knew nothing about Zionism, and cared less. What does Faurisson have to say about the behavior of the French in Algeria? And for that matter in Haiti? What about French collusion with the U.S. in kidnapping Aristide and keeping him isolated in the so-called Central African Republic?, that French colonial non-republic?

As for Dalton's work, I'm keeping an open mind, but I am wondering if your group is being open about its purpose. I don't think one needs to cover all the bases in this fucked-up world at the same time, but we ought to be as revulsed at terrible things happening to people no matter who is doing the oppression. Please write me a personal note letting me know what you think. I'd appreciate it if you take a look at my essay, "Changing History, 1", where I write a little about Hitler, and let me know your reaction. It's at: http://site.www.umb.edu/faculty/salzman_g/t/2009-09-05.htm.
Thanks,
Prof. George Salzman
<george.salzman@umb.edu>
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Re: Genocide by Pathological Telepathy (a kind of Telepathology?

Postby JamesTheJust » Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:19 pm

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