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Parable of the Tenants

Postby Lang » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:42 pm

I have a question about the Parable of the Tenants.

33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?
43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”

45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.


The question is, it seems, apparently, to support churchianity.

1- When the landowner sent his son, probably it means he sent Jesus, so the landowner is God. Why did God hire those farmers in the beginning, if those farmers are the jews?

2- Why does he says the Kingdom will be taken from them, like if it had been given to them at first?

3- Why it says he rejected the stone at first, and then it became the cornerstone?
"Give a hammer to a white, and he will build civilization;
Give a hammer to an asian, and he will build other hammers;
Give a hammer to an arab, and he will kill his wife;
Give a hammer to a nigger, and he will kill whites;
Give a hammer to a jew, and he will sell it to niggers.
"

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Re: Parable of the Tenants

Postby Joe » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:02 am

http://christogenea.org/podcasts/gospel-luke-chapter-20
It's a complex parable Lang, but Bill goes through it all in this one.

Perhaps the tenants are tenants because they were never given the land, they are not Israelites. I think the most interesting thing is that the owner is not getting any benefit (fruits) from them, as He would from Israel.

Just like the cursed fig-tree.
...and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
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Re: Parable of the Tenants

Postby SwordBrethren » Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:25 pm

Remember, just become somebody is a tenant does not mean they are the rightful owner or even a lawful occupant. A tenant could be a squatter.
Revelation 18:
Und ich hörte eine andere Stimme vom Himmel, die sprach: Gehet aus von ihr, mein Volk, daß ihr nicht teilhaftig werdet ihrer Sünden, auf daß ihr nicht empfanget etwas von ihren Plagen!

Denn ihre Sünden reichen bis in den Himmel, und Gott denkt an ihren Frevel.


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Re: Parable of the Tenants

Postby Staropramen » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:35 pm

Lang wrote:The question is, it seems, apparently, to support churchianity.

1- When the landowner sent his son, probably it means he sent Jesus, so the landowner is God. Why did God hire those farmers in the beginning, if those farmers are the jews?

2- Why does he says the Kingdom will be taken from them, like if it had been given to them at first?

3- Why it says he rejected the stone at first, and then it became the cornerstone?


1. Throughout our history our disobedience has resulted in the presence of jews in our midst. God didn't hire any jews, we did so to speak.

2. Jews can only usurp what belongs to us when we allow them to do so. If we allow them in our midst to take what is ours then we have given it to them, no? Yahweh uses His enemies to punish us. God's permissive will allows the jews to hijack the Kingdom when we are disobedient.

3. The judgement on Jerusalem was upon both edomite jew and Israelites who listened to the jews and rejected Christ. The Israelite portion that rejected Christ have eternal life nonetheless because Christ became the cornerstone.
"If God is a Jew then the only thing left for us to do is commit suicide"
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Re: Parable of the Tenants

Postby Staropramen » Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:01 pm

Throughout the NT it seems to me that when the Gospel was preached it was quickly understood to be true by real Israelites. The Israelites of that time were hearing something brand new in it's purest form. They didn't have their minds full of cleverly devised, fraudulent, alternative copies like "judeochristianity" to confuse them. I wonder what was going on in the minds of those Judean Israelites who rejected Christ. They seemingly must have known they were rejecting God by rejecting Christ. Was it fear of the jew that made them cower rather than genuine confusion? That might explain passages which seem to lump all Christ rejecting Judeans together regardless of race. I can see a crippling fear of jews in Israelites who understand the truth being more disgusting to Yahweh than mere confusion. So much so that these Israelites become equated with kikes in scripture, at least on some level.

The origins of "jews between the ears" perhaps?
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Re: Parable of the Tenants

Postby SwordBrethren » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:59 pm

http://sb.christogenea.org/blog/?m=200912


My blog post got into this a bit, I will elaborate further at some later point in time-




People who do not understand the nature of scripture will never understand that the war that began in Heaven is still being fought, with only the location of the battlefield having changed… The world (where the Kingdom of Heaven, the New Jerusalem will be) is suffering from violence and the violent have seized it by force… The administrators for Satan (who is the prince of the world and who presently rules over the world) have taken over the kingdom through violence… But we are told in Matthew 21…

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

The first time Yahshua took the cross, the second time He is coming back to take the crown and to retake the Kingdom from those who have seized it by force.

A war of cosmic proportions has been waged since the very day of the rebellion of Lucifer and his being cast out from Heaven. The war is still being raged today and his seed, alive and well in the world today (indeed in possession of the entire world, the apparatuses of state, all militaries, all governments, global think-tanks, media conglomerates, multi-national corporations, international finance, global money power, the entertainment industry, pop culture, etc) are administering the kingdom that he seeks to usurp and hold onto…

They seek to kill the heirs of the promise and seize on the inheritance…

Again, from Matthew 21….

This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

The promise of the gospel is that Yahshua is going to return, in power and glory (Matthew 24), absolutely destroy the entire house of Esau Edom (Obadiah 1:18), and then restore the Kingdom to the heirs of the promise, the children of the covenant (Matthew 21).

The anti-christs presently in control of the world today, pushing for a total global government system that their father Satan will be able to effectively and easily rule, are only going to last but a short time. We are told that towards the end, the devil will know his time is short and he will begin making mistakes as he rushes to bring about the international system of total control before it ought to been attempted… Yahshua is going to come back, with great wrath, in power and glory, and utterly obliterate the anti-christs, who, along with their father Satan, will be cast into hell for eternity, after being made to worship at the feet of the true Israelites (Revelation 2:9, Revelation 3:9).
Revelation 18:
Und ich hörte eine andere Stimme vom Himmel, die sprach: Gehet aus von ihr, mein Volk, daß ihr nicht teilhaftig werdet ihrer Sünden, auf daß ihr nicht empfanget etwas von ihren Plagen!

Denn ihre Sünden reichen bis in den Himmel, und Gott denkt an ihren Frevel.


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