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Re: Adamic Race who will end up being cast into the lake of

Postby EnemyofEdom » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:30 pm

For the sake of argument, to play the advocate, can the verse be looked at from the angle, all of Israel is saved if they are in the Lord?

If one is not "in the Lord" if they are "in the devil" than could this not apply? Only those of Israel who are also "in the Lord" are justified. If you are not of Israel, you are not justified. if you are of Israel but are not "in the Lord," than you are not justified; however, if you are "in the Lord: and you are of Israel, than you are justified.

In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
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Re: Adamic Race who will end up being cast into the lake of

Postby Filidh » Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:29 pm

@enemyofedom: but doesn't seed refer to descendants without the connotation of certain behavior amongst those descendants, but merely the descent-aspect itself?

and if so, wouldn't this imply that all of the descendants of israel are saved regardless of behavior, thus supporting the notion that behavior determines reward but not salvation?

if not, why not?
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Re: Adamic Race who will end up being cast into the lake of

Postby EnemyofEdom » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:13 pm

@Filidh

I agree with what William Fink has already said on the subject here and on his show and what you said makes sense.
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Re: Adamic Race who will end up being cast into the lake of

Postby DamianNewman » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:36 pm

Rich83 wrote:Brother, sin doesnt originate with our heavenly father, this is true. But havent our fathers taught us a craft for which we give thanks to the trade and not the Lord? Don't we thank God that we are Israel, but not for His rebuke for our fathers sin? The other races do not sin out of fear of law from God, but they sin because they do not fear Israel. The Lord delivered his sons the law to uphold this world forever. If any people were to ever survive, it was in accordance to Gods guidance and grace through our migrations, and even the strangers among us were to recognize the sabbath. For who are the real transgressors of the law? The teacher who doesnt teach and only teaches to the congregation? or the student whos always absent? Our people are already redeemed brothers, have ye no faith in Christ Jesus our Lord? My eyes have seen our people behaving lower than I have seen some of these beasts, and they honor God in more capacity as given to them than alot of our kin. Grace of God is surely with our people, but truly brothers, what are we boasting? That was my only real point to consider, is that regardless of what Edom has done, everyone else has been compromised. God created all creatures, and even if all are not children of our Lord, they were still created by the Most High. Do they deserve the edge of the sword? Or do they deserve chastening and rebuke? Transgressors of the law shall never stand. Just as a house divided against itself cannot stand, and never will a mixed race union that seeks to destroy our light and remove our candlestick stand under the law. But who judges? Who is the true judge who cast the first stone? Is it we? So, if that were set in stone, and that all men return to their lands, considering that they all shall eventually either follow and observe the sabbath and holy days and most high as we, and we being their conduit to salvation and redemption, or they die. Jesus Christ died for us, and HIs sacrifice for us was for our salvation.To fulfill. We were meant to be a light, brothers. Not boasters of heirdom. Not coveting the kingdom. No pride, or envy, or all of the things that we do daily without batting an eye, as long as we're championing Israel pridefully, and boasting woefully. To me, all men are liars as our Lord said. So if I can only compare the Bible with history as written by men and retracted by jews, and the way I observe history and its changes and agendas just in my 30 years of being, I consider how for every generation from the beginning it has gotten worse, until God only intervenes. I just get lost when people call my God a liar, that he is not all loving, and will not answer if we seek him with all our hearts truly. it seems everyone has the answers according to their heart, but cannot say why God has not come to as promised? He was clear that if we followed his law, or atleast our spirit felt the pain of not being able to fulfill it, and observed the sabbath, whether according to rabbinical traditions or breaking every yoke and telling truth. Casting away all our worldly ways, and worries and seeking him with all our heart, even to tears. Crying and moaning for our brethren, loving them, even for their folly, because even though they err, Jesus Christ has redeemed thee. Brothers, I perceive it is due to our vanity. His elect are continually sinning, surely in this current world they are not seeking him with the meekness and humbleness that is due to our Lord and God, all praise and glory being His. Not Israels. We are even today, on the verge of death, still sitting aside boasting, with no plan of how to achieve peace, only praying Jesus Christ will destroy all our foes for our iniquity. I have gathered all the tools for peace from what i consider the truth, from God. From what I have seen and read, and considered in my heart to speak according to his true plan for redemption for the whole world. Ive felt crazy considering it, because for a long time, I agreed whole heartedly with all of you. I also have had compassion for them who I see trying to do right, or make sense of truth or call on the name of our Lord. A rapist is a rapist. A murderer a murderer. All are judged by the law. Only the Holy One holds the weight in the balances. According to his good pleasure, not Israel's. We have our reward brothers. If we are to have dominion over all on earth, its not by genocide. It is in accordance to Gods law. Please consider these things. I am only seeking to really put ourselves under the microscope in perhaps some areas we maybe could use some polishing. I believe the day of the Lord is truly upon us, and we all want to be our humblest, cause we know not when he comes. He is like a thief in the night, and his reward is with him. Blessings and praise to our Father continually, who inspires us to think freely, and speak.

As you rattled on, you contradicted many things that the Scriptures say, all for the sake of selling the idea that non-Adamites will be saved.

Despite all your apparent praise and honor towards God, I only see another kike trying to twist the truth.
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Re: Adamic Race who will end up being cast into the lake of

Postby brucebohn » Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:44 pm

I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create EVIL.
I am Yahweh, that doeth all these things.
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Re: Adamic Race who will end up being cast into the lake of

Postby Staropramen » Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:03 pm

marc4liberty wrote:I'm still confused by the statement that "all Israel will be saved."

If "saved" means eternal salvation, then why is there a judgement day of God? Why does Rev. 20:12 say that the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works?

Yahshua said in John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me. It seems to me that this means that it is not enough just to be an Israelite. You also need to believe in Yahshua and follow the laws of God and repent when you sin.


There is a judgement day for Israelites because according to our works we will be rewarded. To be saved means to be spared from the effects of sin. We can live our lives apart from Christ and continually be effected by the consequences of sin, even death. Or, we can approach Yahweh as repentant children and receive guidance [a road map if you will] in the proper way that our feet should travel, know truth as we journey and with these two things experience life to the fullest. Our total restoration in the afterlife, through no work of our own is a seperate concept that I believe is established in scripture. Our decisions and actions in this life are the basis for eternal rewards, not some "floating on a cloud with a harp" vs. "the eternal torture chamber" dichotomy.
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Re: Adamic Race who will end up being cast into the lake of

Postby wmfinck » Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:42 am

Rich83 had posted another large diatribe filled with his quasi-pious bullshit in this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2552

I did not want to repeat myself here. But his drivel may as well be straight out of the mouth of the jew from Chicago.

Anyone who says things like "redemption for the whole world" and "God created all creatures" is basically only spouting universalist obscenities formulated in the pits of hell, but NOT ideas which are found in Scripture. Such people tend only to listen to others, and do not study Scripture for themselves.

The next time I think of Rich83, if he has not yet answered my posts in that thread then I am going to suspend his account. He came in here making 18 posts of universalist bullshit and is not yet man enough to face the inquiry that he met in response. Therefore I think he came in here only to impose his liberal ideas on others, but never had any desire for honest discussion or an acceptance of Scripture.
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Re: Adamic Race who will end up being cast into the lake of

Postby wmfinck » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:03 am

marc4liberty wrote:I'm still confused by the statement that "all Israel will be saved.


marc4liberty, I don't think you have ever listened to the programs I presented on this topic, or you shouldn't be confused. Of course, you may not accept everything I said, but you shouldn't be confused over what the scripture said.

Staropramen explained the differences in judgement well enough above, but I will add two things here.

First, the entire Adamic race attains its salvation through one decision of judgement, Romans 5:18-19: " 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." This is the salvation of the Spirit which leads to the Resurrection. The judgement which follows this life determines one's reward - or lack thereof - in the Kingdom of God (i.e. Daniel 12).

Second, while even sinners are saved in the end, "salvation" means different things in different contexts. So there is salvation this life, an escaping of the consequences of sin by the repentant, as Staropramen has explained. If Israelites seek reward in the Kingdom of God, they will repent from sin in this life and flee from the world (allegorically) by rejecting the sin of the world.

These two senses of "salvation" reflect the dual nature of Adamic Man, fleshly and spiritual, for which see here: http://christogenea.org/content/christogenea-forum-call-03-28-11-two-natures-adamic-man

These things are indeed proven by Scripture, here are two examples:

Paul speaking of a fornicator, in 1 Corinthians 5: " 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

Paul speaking of judgement and reward, from 1 Corinthians 3: " 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
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Re: Adamic Race who will end up being cast into the lake of

Postby wmfinck » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:32 am

wmfinck wrote:Rich83 had posted another large diatribe filled with his quasi-pious bullshit in this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2552

I did not want to repeat myself here. But his drivel may as well be straight out of the mouth of the jew from Chicago.

Anyone who says things like "redemption for the whole world" and "God created all creatures" is basically only spouting universalist obscenities formulated in the pits of hell, but NOT ideas which are found in Scripture. Such people tend only to listen to others, and do not study Scripture for themselves.

The next time I think of Rich83, if he has not yet answered my posts in that thread then I am going to suspend his account. He came in here making 18 posts of universalist bullshit and is not yet man enough to face the inquiry that he met in response. Therefore I think he came in here only to impose his liberal ideas on others, but never had any desire for honest discussion or an acceptance of Scripture.


I am suspending Rich83's account today. He obviously had an agenda, and he has not logged in since I posted my responses to him.

If I had to guess, he has his head deep in Eli James' universalist ass right about now.
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Re: Adamic Race who will end up being cast into the lake of

Postby Londonlight40 » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:18 pm

Hi, in a recent podcast on Christian expectation, we seem to have two outcomes. One is a cleanup crew for the enemy after fall of babylon. But where does the ressurection of dead and quickening of living and lake of fire come into this? Also Jesus's literal return. In my mind, the elite are crushed in their DUMBS. The continuity of their power is destroyed. However, many people will be decimated by meteors from planet X. A suffient kil percentage will the allow the remnant and the ressurected saints in immortal bodies to easily rebuild. Earth cannot be destroyed so there will be enemy resistence left, but Adamic man being superior will overcome easily. The only thing left is the appointed time for judgement and disposing of the discarnate spirits - the wicked souls that need some degree of high energy to destroy aka lake of fire.
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